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09/28/2004 01:40:12 AM · #1 |
A friend E-mailed me this photo when he learned that I had planed "Wildlife shooting" next weekend. It is very graphic so don't look at this if you have a weak stomach.
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posted by Amason:
"You warned us that this is graphic, but I just read "Going for wildlife shooting?", then read your forum post and I just thought ok, probably some animals remains. But human remains, I didn't expect that! You should have warned us better, and say what it is. This will bring up my nightmares again! This shouldn't belong here on DPC!"
Message edited by author 2004-09-28 21:22:41. |
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09/28/2004 01:42:33 AM · #2 |
You are right that is very graphic.
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09/28/2004 01:54:11 AM · #3 |
| Thats horrible! What kind of animal was it? and where? |
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09/28/2004 02:00:36 AM · #4 |
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09/28/2004 06:08:29 AM · #5 |
| I also recieved this picture in an email along with the pictures of the grizzly and its paw being held up by the person who shot it. According to the written part of the email "It was over one thousand six hundred pounds,and 12' 6"high at the shoulder. It's a world record. The bear had killed a couple of other people." The photos were taken in Alaska. |
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09/28/2004 06:14:50 AM · #6 |
I reckon it's a fake. Check out //www.snopes.com in a few days - they always review stuff like this.
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09/28/2004 06:18:29 AM · #7 |
This is cool :) and seems so darn realistic!
Anyhow, photographers, be careful ;-)
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09/28/2004 06:23:56 AM · #8 |
That series of bear attack photos has been on the net for years. The dead bear shot is real from what I understand because they do get that big! I'm just glad we only have black bears around here.
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I don't think we have to worry too much. Most people who will submit to the site are probably going to pop over to the local zoo. Lions, Tigers and Bears, oh my!
Message edited by author 2004-09-28 06:25:33.
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09/28/2004 06:34:14 AM · #9 |
//www.snopes.com/photos/bearhunt.asp
here it is.
the photos are real! :)
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09/28/2004 06:41:27 AM · #10 |
Thanks for the link. I always thought these photos were real. I'm real glad we don't have bears in NZ except in the zoo of course although I would rather see them roam free than caged. |
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09/28/2004 07:29:35 AM · #11 |
I'd only give it a 5 anyway - you can't see the "wildlife" and the DOF isn't great and there's grass in the way...
Edit: I'm sorry, I have a tasteless sense of humour sometimes
Message edited by author 2004-09-28 07:32:00.
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09/28/2004 08:23:27 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by mandyp:
I'd only give it a 5 anyway - you can't see the "wildlife" and the DOF isn't great and there's grass in the way...
Edit: I'm sorry, I have a tasteless sense of humour sometimes |
LOL.
I rather find it very amusing :-)
There's nothing wrong with black humor.
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09/28/2004 08:42:36 AM · #13 |
well thank you i'm never going to sleep again
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09/28/2004 08:45:39 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by artvet:
A friend E-mailed me this photo when he learned that I had planed "Wildlife shooting" next weekend. It is very graphic so don't look at this if you have a weak stomach. |
You warned us that this is graphic, but I just read "Going for wildlife shooting?", then read your forum post and I just thought ok, probably some animals remains. But human remains, I didn't expect that! You should have warned us better, and say what it is. This will bring up my nightmares again! This shouldn't belong here on DPC!
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09/28/2004 08:57:23 AM · #15 |
oh yea... this weekend is the opening weekend for wildlife shooting... here's a pic from last year...
I love animals, they taste great in gravy!
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09/28/2004 11:05:07 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
oh yea... this weekend is the opening weekend for wildlife shooting... here's a pic from last year...
I love animals, they taste great in gravy! |
I'm sure some animals think humans taste pretty good too. Of course most animals hunted are deers and ducks who dont eat humans. Even so, would be fun to arm the animals during those 'sporting' events, maybe they would get lucky and do the world a favor. Population control, right? |
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09/28/2004 07:43:30 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by moodville:
I'm sure some animals think humans taste pretty good too. Of course most animals hunted are deers and ducks who dont eat humans. Even so, would be fun to arm the animals during those 'sporting' events, maybe they would get lucky and do the world a favor. Population control, right? |
I am sorry to interupt this photo discussion and go off on another tangent. But, after reading Moodville's comment, I feel that I need clarification on her statement.
Yes, one benefit to the eco-system as a result of controlled hunting is that when we "cull" the deer population, we control animal starvation and the the spread of diseases. Moodville, pardon me if I misunderstood your message, but it sounds as if your suggesting we do the same with the human population. I can't speak for the rest of the DPC'ers, but I am horrified to think that you are suggesting such a thing. May I ask what exactly it is that you are suggesting?
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09/28/2004 08:02:20 PM · #18 |
Humans have been systematically exterminated by other humans since the beginning of time. It is an abhorrent practice, but it goes on, and on.
Black people in the country of Sudan are being slaughtered at this moment. The UN is not interested. The human animal is the worst of the lot! |
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09/28/2004 08:05:07 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
That series of bear attack photos has been on the net for years. The dead bear shot is real from what I understand because they do get that big! I'm just glad we only have black bears around here.
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I don't think we have to worry too much. Most people who will submit to the site are probably going to pop over to the local zoo. Lions, Tigers and Bears, oh my! |
A 600 pound,8 feet in height,black bear was shot just before it was going to attack a photographer within a hundred miles of were I live a couple of years back! Its no Grizzly but really dangerous just the same! I am sure you would be alright as long as your beagle was with you!! |
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09/29/2004 06:14:54 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by moodville:
I'm sure some animals think humans taste pretty good too. Of course most animals hunted are deers and ducks who dont eat humans. Even so, would be fun to arm the animals during those 'sporting' events, maybe they would get lucky and do the world a favor. Population control, right? |
I am sorry to interupt this photo discussion and go off on another tangent. But, after reading Moodville's comment, I feel that I need clarification on her statement.
Yes, one benefit to the eco-system as a result of controlled hunting is that when we "cull" the deer population, we control animal starvation and the the spread of diseases. Moodville, pardon me if I misunderstood your message, but it sounds as if your suggesting we do the same with the human population. I can't speak for the rest of the DPC'ers, but I am horrified to think that you are suggesting such a thing. May I ask what exactly it is that you are suggesting? |
Bold formatting added by me...
Er... I read yours and Moodville's posts again and again and again and I can't see how you could possibly interpret her post as suggesting a cull of the human population.
I read Moodville's post as an expression of moral outrage against the hunting of animals for sport.
Culling as part of conservation or to guard against disease and animal suffering is another thing entirely. But there are many of us who find the concept of hunting animals for sport abhorrent, myself included.
I too sometimes wonder if the hunter carrying the big gun, driven to within a few yards of a "canned" lion (one bred to provide targets for hunters rather than one that is truly wild) would feel quite as brave if the situation were reversed. He was let loose without weapons in the territory of truly wild animals.
To suggest that Moodville's post advises human culling seems to me as gross a misinterpretation as I've come across.
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09/29/2004 09:05:27 AM · #21 |
Once again sorry to continue this discussion in this photography forum. But when someone interupts the posting of wildlife shooting photos with extremist or at the very least very strong opinions on my photograph, I cannot help but defend myself. Yes, I agree that while my picture was clearly not what the author of this thread intended. It was very brief tongue-in-cheek light-hearted fun. I just "interpreted" the wilfelife shooting challenge that way, right? Anyway, my apologies in advance for the following reply:
Kavey,
Originally posted by Kavey:
I can't see how you could possibly interpret her post as suggesting a cull of the human population. |
The interpretation was based on her post... here is a sample of the text:
Originally posted by moodville:
...would be fun to arm the animals ...and do the world a favor. Population control, right? |
Putting humans on a level with animals is abhorant. We are sentient beings for pete's sake. (BTW, who is Pete?)
Originally posted by Kavey:
To suggest that Moodville's post advises human culling seems to me as gross a misinterpretation as I've come across. |
maybe her comment was tongue-in-cheek? Kind of like my post reguarding the original topic was before she desided to interject and change the subject here? Then again, since your answering for her. Who knows...
Originally posted by Kavey:
I read Moodville's post as an expression of moral outrage against the hunting of animals for sport. |
I don't hunt for sport. There's not a trophy on my walls. The reason I hunt is for food. My freezer is full of free-range, anti-biotic free, artificial hormone free, 100% all natural venison and turkey. However, if I ever do see a trophy buck, I will not only eat him for dinner, I will have him preserved as the fine specimine that he is. Not only as a trophy for my family and friends to enjoy for generations, but as an honor to the deer itself. Weather you kill a buck to cull the heard, or kill him to eat him, it would be a complete waste to just throw his "rack" away. Even the Parks and Wilflife department preserves trophy bucks killed by cars and or poachers.
Originally posted by Kavey:
Culling as part of conservation or to guard against disease and animal suffering is another thing entirely. |
The benefits of controlling the deer population are self evident. When they get over populated, they don't get enough to eat and begin to become malnorished and spread disease. If you ever see a heard of disease infested malnorished deer it will break your heart. What a sad sad sight. Also, as the deer population explodes, they begin drifting more and more towards human populations. As this occurs, car accidents with deer increase.
Originally posted by Kavey:
I too sometimes wonder if the hunter carrying the big gun, driven to within a few yards of a "canned" lion (one bred to provide targets for hunters rather than one that is truly wild) would feel quite as brave if the situation were reversed. He was let loose without weapons in the territory of truly wild animals.
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If you will look at the picture I posted, you will see that there is no gun in my hand. I prefer to use a bow. A traditional recurve bow mind you, with no sighting system. I would prefer to use a long bow and wooden arrows, but I have not gotten around to buying one yet.
While I do use a gun during the later part of the hunting season, as the season is short and my hunting land is expensive, by no means do I "can hunt" animals. The type of hunt you speak of is not hunting, it's "ambushing", and I doubt they are going to eat the lion; That truely is a waste. It's neither fun or sporting.
Message edited by author 2004-09-29 09:06:57.
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09/29/2004 12:28:27 PM · #22 |
I was not answering FOR Moodville, but since I was astonished at your interpretation of her post, I wanted to respond to what you said.
Nor did I suggest anything about YOUR picture (I didn't even refer to it) or suggest that YOU hunt for sport.
A tongue in cheek suggestion to arm the animals against those who hunt THEM is hardly akin to actually suggesting that humans should be culled. It's a sarcastic way of mocking the way that _SOME_ hunters seem to think they are showing skill, courage and blah blah blah by hunting animals (you may not feel this way but I've spoken to many hunters who do) when actually it's hardly an equal fight.
I find hunting for sport abhorrent. I have absolutely no problem at all with culling for reasons of conservation or disease control NOR with hunting for food.
I already said that I had no problem with culling so I'm not sure why you felt the need to quote me and lecture me on that point.
Incidentally, whilst I don't hunt for my own food I strongly believe that people who eat meat should understand where that meat comes from (ie from an animal that has been killed). I know many people who eat meat but prefer not to aknowledge that it was once a living animal nor touch it in it's raw state. I am under no such illusions. Were I in the situation where I had to choose between becoming veggie and hunting for my own meat, I would hunt. BUT it would be very important to me that I did not knowingly or unknowingly endanger any species nor cause undue suffering to the animals I took. I am sure you feel the same way.
As I made clear, it is hunting for sport that I personally find abhorrent.
Again, my post had absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with your picture, so quoting my passage about the canned hunting that goes on and then referring me back to your own picture and practices is somewhat confusing.
Incidentally, I suspect (though I can't speak for Moodville) that it was your trivialisation of the issue of hunting that lead to the subsequent, similarly trivialised response about arming the animals instead. I see nothing in Moodville's response that could honestly be taken to seriously suggest that the poster actually believed that human population should be controlled by hunting.
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09/29/2004 12:48:10 PM · #23 |
So...about that first picture...I just about coughed up a carrot stick. I'm not incredibly bothered by it but I think it would be nice to make it absolutely clear in your post that the viewer is about to see a deceased person.
There are people (children, for example) who are extremely sensitive to that sort of image.
Just a thought...
...man, that was a big bear (in that other link)!!! |
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09/29/2004 12:58:01 PM · #24 |
About the first picture...
Well, I do know that most of the injuries and deaths I've heard about that happen on safari trips like the ones I have done this year are down to the person ignoring the rules and failing to respect the animals. And then, the animals are the ones that get put down as a result.
That image is certainly a graphic reminder to respect the "wild" nature of wildlife.
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