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09/27/2004 11:51:05 PM · #1 |
From my bridal shoot, these retouched images are the ones the bride selected (she actually picked 30 for me to retouch... gasp!)... the images aren't necessarily the same, but the lighting was similar in each before and after shot.
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Additional retouched photos...
  
 
Any opinions would be much appreciated. I know I'm asking a lot these days, but your opinions count, and I want to make the bride happy. :) She's very particular.
Thanks!! Lori
Message edited by author 2004-09-27 23:54:32.
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09/28/2004 12:48:26 AM · #2 |
Annasense, i think your doing a great job on the restoration! She picked 30 images! Wow!, you sure have your work cut out for you. I still recommend removing the eye glare from the center of the eye and repostition it off to the side. It will help remove that deer eyed look caused by the head on flash. In fact, when i get home i'm gonna fix one of the photos for you to show you what i mean. But all in all, your doing a great job and keep it up. IMHO Image two on your list looks a bit on the blue side. Try to give it more of a warm look, by removing some blue and adding some red or add a warming filter via Photoshop. Ohh and one more thing that just came to mind for your next photo shoot. Try to keep her flowers lower and closer to her body.
I'll post the changes shortly.
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09/28/2004 01:32:53 AM · #3 |
Here is a quick example of repositioning that eye glare I talk about, I also burned the background, saturated the color and whitened her teeth a bit.
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09/28/2004 03:57:45 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by mathyou:
Here is a quick example of repositioning that eye glare I talk about, I also burned the background, saturated the color and whitened her teeth a bit.
-Mathyou |
beware of making her look like a tart. I think perhaps a little too much saturation - way too much in the lips, that's all that one can focus on.
I also feel her skin is akin to that of a magazine cover which is not very attractive for a wedding photo.
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09/28/2004 04:00:19 AM · #5 |
Worth adding I feel wedding photos should retain as much integrity as possible - once you start playing around as everyone has above, you start creating a false skin, smile, color that wasn't apparent on the day - that takes away what wedding photography is about. It's about capturing a moment, not making colors redder or skin smoother than a super model.
Sometimes these images may look nice, but they provoke zero feeling or emotion. That's why they are just used in advertising.
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09/28/2004 08:05:04 AM · #6 |
Thanks, Mathyou... that eye glare thing looks fabulous! I'm gonna try it. Jonpink, I completely agree with you about the super model thing... and unfortunately, that's what the bride has asked me to do. I have gone round and round with her, just letting her know she's beautiful as is, but she has insisted on looking as pristine as possible. We're friends, and this is a non-paying gig... I just want her to be happy so she can gush about me to her other friends... so I might actually get paid someday... sigh...
On a side note, all the editing I've done has been on layers, so I can screen back the airbrushing if need be, and that will be something I do to have the files for myself. I don't want to show all the plastic surgery retouching I've done to potential clients, because I don't want this to become a habit with everyone I photograph. :) Thanks for your opinions and help!!
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09/28/2004 01:44:47 PM · #7 |
| The only major changes i did to the photo was the eyes and the teeth, i didn't touch the lips or skin. Maybe it was the saturation that really affected those but I think it looks much better. I don't know if totally agree with you about the whole super model thing. I do agree that we should keep the integrity of the photo and not alter a persons character with drastic changes. But if fixing the skin, fixing the glare, and whiting their teeth makes the client look their very best, why not do it? After all these ladies have waited their whole life to get married, it is the day they have dreamed about! I am sure that deep down inside these ladies want to feel like a super model and want their images to be perfect, so why not deliver on that? She spends countless hours on her hair and make up, striving to achieve perfection's and if for what ever reason something is less than perfect and I am able to fix it in my digital darkroom, why not make the client look perfect? after all it is her day. |
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09/28/2004 02:33:23 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by mathyou:
The only major changes i did to the photo was the eyes and the teeth, i didn't touch the lips or skin. Maybe it was the saturation that really affected those but I think it looks much better. I don't know if totally agree with you about the whole super model thing. I do agree that we should keep the integrity of the photo and not alter a persons character with drastic changes. But if fixing the skin, fixing the glare, and whiting their teeth makes the client look their very best, why not do it? After all these ladies have waited their whole life to get married, it is the day they have dreamed about! I am sure that deep down inside these ladies want to feel like a super model and want their images to be perfect, so why not deliver on that? She spends countless hours on her hair and make up, striving to achieve perfection's and if for what ever reason something is less than perfect and I am able to fix it in my digital darkroom, why not make the client look perfect? after all it is her day. |
Well I tend to disagree with everything you have put. I think changing the skin and adding altering the color of her lipstick changes both her character and holds no integrity.
I agree the client should have the photographs as she and he want - no argument there. I would however, not go so far as to say she looks better in the plastic skinned effect or with the bright red lipstick - but that is purely down to personal taste.
In my experience, most 'clients' much prefer their photographs to reflect the joy they felt on the day rather than simply having some pictures taken and edited to make them look 'beautiful'.
When you start messing with how they look, you loose every single piece of character and emotion that the subject has.
I prefer this style myself >>
Not models by any means. Taken straight after the brides best friend of 25 years had caught the bouquet. No editing what-so-ever, and I feel it did a good job of capturing a nice moment. I also feel it would be ruined if one was to feel the need to start softening skin, getting rid of freckles and wrinkles.
But again, that is the kind of picture the client wanted, every one is different.
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09/28/2004 02:56:34 PM · #9 |
that is a fabulous shot. i really think the bride is pretty enough as it is, but that's just not how she sees herself (or wants to see herself)...
Message edited by author 2004-09-28 17:01:55.
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09/28/2004 02:58:47 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by annasense:
that is a fabulous shot. i really think the bride is pretty enough as it is, but that's just not how she sees herself (or wants to see herself)... most of my friends are much more down to earth and accepting of who the are and what they look like, and i can't wait to do some photoshoots with them... but this particular friend is a little unique. :) |
Oh I agree if she wants that she should have it. If she wanted her eye color changed to black so she should have it. it's her day.
I am just giving my opinion on how much to edit in general wedding photography before you have shown the client.
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09/28/2004 03:30:47 PM · #11 |
Jonpink, we just have very different personal taste and thats what makes this place great! We can share in our experiences and ideas, and broaden our skills and creativity, but always remember that the final decision should always be left up to the client and always remember to inform them of what you are doing. So that you don't end up wasting time on something that they don't want.
-Mathyou |
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09/28/2004 04:12:14 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by mathyou:
Jonpink, we just have very different personal taste and thats what makes this place great! We can share in our experiences and ideas, and broaden our skills and creativity, but always remember that the final decision should always be left up to the client and always remember to inform them of what you are doing. So that you don't end up wasting time on something that they don't want.
-Mathyou |
That's what makes the whole world great! I love it :D
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09/28/2004 07:07:00 PM · #13 |
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