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09/26/2004 12:28:37 PM · #1 |
20D - First Impressions:
1, slightly smaller that the 10D and even through I don't have big hands I need the battery grip (on back order from warehouseepress.co.uk)
2, Very very fast in starting up
3, Very fast in taking photo's before you know it you have taken 2-3 photos
4, Love the B/W setting
5, the wee joystick is great
6, Don't like the shutter noise - very bad for wildlife / candid photo
7, the noise at 1600 iso is now less noticeable
8, The viewfinder is grainy in bright light
Overall a nice wee camera but really needs a battery grip..
Have I mentioned the Battery grip :-)
Regards Tony
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09/26/2004 12:56:45 PM · #2 |
I find it a little bigger than my Fuji..went down to the waterfront and tried it out today on full auto and found some of my shots very dark because of the lighting conditions..the flash kept popping up as well which was quite annoying.
Used to curse the electronic viewfinder on the Fuji especially when trying to capture movement and looked forward to having a normal viewfinder again..but I`ve noticed a drawback already and that is the fact that I can`t see the picture I`ve just taken unless I look at the LCD screen and in certain lighting conditions that`s not so good.
With the Fuji I could take a picture, check it out and make the necessary adjustments and take it again without taking my eye away from the viewfinder.Today, I didn`t realise some of my shots were too dark until I got home and downloaded them.
Maybe there`s something simple I`m missing??
Swings and roundabouts I suppose as it will be much better for sport.
I can see I`m going to have to study the manual very carefully.
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09/26/2004 01:23:13 PM · #3 |
With the 10D, I just wait until the file is written and then I can review it on the LCD. You can also magnify the image to check focus etc. Not sure if the 20D has the info button but while I am reviewing my photo, I can press that button and then I get the histogram and basic exposure info such as shutter/aperture/ISO. Another benefit of looking at the photo info is overexposure. The camera will tell me what portions of the shot were overexposed by blinking those areas black and then back to the shot color.
Geewhy, as for immediately reviewing the shot you just took, there's no way a DSLR can display the image in the viewfinder since you're looking through the lens not at an EVF. Definitely look through the manual and try the steps I mentioned above. Also use the light meter to see if there's enough light before you take the photo. I know that's basic but it was one of my initial problems coming from a point-n-shoot with a live preview image. I'd rely on that too much to learn how to meter light again.
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09/26/2004 01:51:04 PM · #4 |
First impressions are that the 20D is a great camera. I have upgraded from a 300D and the 20D is certainly a significant improvement.
geewhy mentioned that the Flash keeps popping up (in low light) this can be avoided by shooting in any of the 'advanced' modes. The Flash did the same on the 300D but at least on the 20D is is now damped with a rubber stop (this signifacantly improves the pop-up experience for the photographer(?)
I agree the shutter noise is a little on the noisy side, but I can live with it... helps to get the critters staring at the camera (split second before they bolt out of site at the startling noise!)
I like the small size and slightly lighter weight (lighter than a 10D heavier that the plastic fantastic 300D)
Picture quality is superb. High Res, low noise and maybe even slightly sharper out of the camera than the 300D.
You can take 25 pictures in 5 seconds which is enough for me.. and the focus is also excellent. Works much better and faster than the 300D.
Some reports of earlt model lock-ups, I have not had a problem.
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09/26/2004 02:02:43 PM · #5 |
The 20D does allow the user to review the information of the images directly after you take each photo. Unlike the 10D, the 20D doesn't require you to wait until the information has completed writing to the CF card. You can be reviewing images while the camera is still writing information to the CF.
feewhy, you may want to try the different metering methods that the 20D has to offer. When you use the 20D in full automatic mode you are using evaluative metering. Try the "P" setting and try the other 2 metering methods the camera has to offer, specifically the spot option. This reads the light information only from the 9% partial circle which you see in the center of the view finder.
I also have the Digital Rebel and have the battery grip for it. I love the battery grip. I agree that the battery grip is a must. I will be getting the battery grip for my 20D ASAP.
I used to always leave my DR with the drive mode as continuous. With the 20D I can't do that because I mean to take only 1 picture and before I know it I have taken 3 or 4. I will have to leave the 20D in single drive until I need the multiple shot feature.
I must say, "I love my 20D". Just so my Digital Rebel doesn't get jealous, "I still love my Digital Rebel too!".
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09/26/2004 02:51:05 PM · #6 |
Pro: Fast, fast and fast
Con: It locksup at times, I'm sure canon will sort this out thru the next firmware fix.
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09/26/2004 02:56:31 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by wackybill:
The 20D does allow the user to review the information of the images directly after you take each photo. Unlike the 10D, the 20D doesn't require you to wait until the information has completed writing to the CF card. You can be reviewing images while the camera is still writing information to the CF.
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perhaps i am mising something, but teh 10D DOES allow the user to view the image right after it is taken while it is writing to the card. After i take an image, it shows on the LCD immediatly for 4 sec. with the histogram on the left side. VERY HELPFUL.
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09/26/2004 03:09:12 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by leaf:
Originally posted by wackybill:
The 20D does allow the user to review the information of the images directly after you take each photo. Unlike the 10D, the 20D doesn't require you to wait until the information has completed writing to the CF card. You can be reviewing images while the camera is still writing information to the CF.
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perhaps i am mising something, but teh 10D DOES allow the user to view the image right after it is taken while it is writing to the card. After i take an image, it shows on the LCD immediatly for 4 sec. with the histogram on the left side. VERY HELPFUL. |
I believe the difference is this. Correct, both cameras do display the image immediately after shooting as a preview. However, my understanding is that the 10D would not allow to select the Play button to start reviewing other images while the card was still writing to the CF card. However, with the 20D you can hit the play button and be reviewing other images while the cache is still emptying and writing to the CF card.
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09/26/2004 04:19:00 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
Geewhy, as for immediately reviewing the shot you just took, there's no way a DSLR can display the image in the viewfinder since you're looking through the lens not at an EVF. |
Yes, I understand the reason I couldn`t view the image..I was trying to evaluate the differences between the cameras and the drawbacks I found comparing it to my Fuji.I always used the Fuji in manual so that I could work with the metering system and make adjustments accordingly..once I get familiar with the 20d, I will return to doing the same it`s just not going to be as convenient to have to view everything on an LCD screen in poor lighting conditions...but hey...you can`t have it all!!
I also realise that once I`m up to speed with the finer points, I am really going to enjoy the experience.
Thanks for the input..much appreciated.
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09/26/2004 04:36:11 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by geewhy:
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
Geewhy, as for immediately reviewing the shot you just took, there's no way a DSLR can display the image in the viewfinder since you're looking through the lens not at an EVF. |
Yes, I understand the reason I couldn`t view the image..I was trying to evaluate the differences between the cameras and the drawbacks I found comparing it to my Fuji.I always used the Fuji in manual so that I could work with the metering system and make adjustments accordingly..once I get familiar with the 20d, I will return to doing the same it`s just not going to be as convenient to have to view everything on an LCD screen in poor lighting conditions...but hey...you can`t have it all!!
I also realise that once I`m up to speed with the finer points, I am really going to enjoy the experience.
Thanks for the input..much appreciated. |
One thing that may help you with exposure, that I found out after someone told me how to do it here, is to set the camera to come up with the automatic histogram after every shot. That's great. The exposure is the most important thing (other than focus), if you've already composed the shot in the viewfinder.
Regards--Neil
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09/26/2004 05:38:38 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by geewhy:
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
Geewhy, as for immediately reviewing the shot you just took, there's no way a DSLR can display the image in the viewfinder since you're looking through the lens not at an EVF. |
Yes, I understand the reason I couldn`t view the image..I was trying to evaluate the differences between the cameras and the drawbacks I found comparing it to my Fuji.I always used the Fuji in manual so that I could work with the metering system and make adjustments accordingly..once I get familiar with the 20d, I will return to doing the same it`s just not going to be as convenient to have to view everything on an LCD screen in poor lighting conditions...but hey...you can`t have it all!!
I also realise that once I`m up to speed with the finer points, I am really going to enjoy the experience.
Thanks for the input..much appreciated. |
One thing that may help you with exposure, that I found out after someone told me how to do it here, is to set the camera to come up with the automatic histogram after every shot. That's great. The exposure is the most important thing (other than focus), if you've already composed the shot in the viewfinder.
Regards--Neil |
Thanks Neil, I`ll look into that. I was so used to just judging by eye through the viewfinder that I`m going to have to retrain myself to become a photographer. (Long overdue)
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09/26/2004 06:49:25 PM · #12 |
First impression: Badass.
Only got 107 frames in, but I have an entry for Complexity and one for Masters.
Woot woot!
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09/28/2004 03:11:51 PM · #13 |
| Question - is the 20D weather-proof?? |
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09/28/2004 03:15:13 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by agwright:
Question - is the 20D weather-proof?? |
it's nice-weather proof! :-P
-.clic, clic, clic... |
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09/28/2004 03:38:00 PM · #15 |
I'm going to second this because it is one of the best ways to improve you photos with the 10D (and I'm assuming 20D). The view with the historgram also provides flashing highlights where the image is blown out.
Originally posted by geewhy:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by geewhy:
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
Geewhy, as for immediately reviewing the shot you just took, there's no way a DSLR can display the image in the viewfinder since you're looking through the lens not at an EVF. |
Yes, I understand the reason I couldn`t view the image..I was trying to evaluate the differences between the cameras and the drawbacks I found comparing it to my Fuji.I always used the Fuji in manual so that I could work with the metering system and make adjustments accordingly..once I get familiar with the 20d, I will return to doing the same it`s just not going to be as convenient to have to view everything on an LCD screen in poor lighting conditions...but hey...you can`t have it all!!
I also realise that once I`m up to speed with the finer points, I am really going to enjoy the experience.
Thanks for the input..much appreciated. |
One thing that may help you with exposure, that I found out after someone told me how to do it here, is to set the camera to come up with the automatic histogram after every shot. That's great. The exposure is the most important thing (other than focus), if you've already composed the shot in the viewfinder.
Regards--Neil |
Thanks Neil, I`ll look into that. I was so used to just judging by eye through the viewfinder that I`m going to have to retrain myself to become a photographer. (Long overdue) |
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