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 09/26/2004 11:12:33 PM · #26
Originally posted by annasense:
Originally posted by Ironworker:

Did you shoot in RAW & jpeg or just jpeg ?


Just jpeg... I'm afraid of RAW... don't know enough about it. :)


RAW can be a great way of fixing some things without having to PS them. But with something like this you were smart to stick to what you know. Wouldn't want to experiment with pics like these. You did a great job, you already seem to be aware of the problems with the light, I think this is some lovely portrait work.
 09/26/2004 11:57:52 PM · #27
Originally posted by livingfiction:
RAW can be a great way of fixing some things without having to PS them. But with something like this you were smart to stick to what you know. Wouldn't want to experiment with pics like these. You did a great job, you already seem to be aware of the problems with the light, I think this is some lovely portrait work.


:) Thanks, Michael. I'm going to read up on RAW and see what the advantages are. I've never really researched it at all. :) You have some really nice model shots in your portfolio!
09/27/2004 01:02:00 AM · #28
Oh shame one you for not shooting RAW in a situation like this. :) There's SO much you can do with a RAW file vs a jpg. The two biggest advantages, in my opinion, are color temp and exposure. Then you can change a few other settings such as saturation, contrast and even correct for CA (color abberation). Maybe the settings will vary depending on the RAW files and you might not be able to see all of the settings I mentioned. If you have Photoshop CS, it has RAW support built-in. Or, I'm sure Olympus has software for you to use to handle RAW files. I can show you before and after shots of photos I thought I'd never be able to save or at least would take more time and skills than I could afford but were easily cleaned up with RAW settings and very little tweaking once in Photoshop.
 09/27/2004 01:11:45 AM · #29
Originally posted by livingfiction:
RAW can be a great way of fixing some things without having to PS them. But with something like this you were smart to stick to what you know. Wouldn't want to experiment with pics like these. You did a great job, you already seem to be aware of the problems with the light, I think this is some lovely portrait work.


But you can shoot RAW with embedded JPG or just work on the RAW file itself then do a save as to TIF, JPG, PNG, whatever you want. I usually save as a PSD especially if I'm taking a while to post process photos.

The only real limiting factor, assuming you have the software to handle RAW files, is storage space on your flash media and (to a lesser degree) your computer's hard drive. The RAW files from the 10D average 6-8MB each so you'll need a large CF card or whatever the C-8080 uses in the 1GB range. And with the prices of those dropping somewhat, it's a little easier to upgrade flash media.

Just something to think about. :)
 09/27/2004 01:46:14 AM · #30
Originally posted by annasense:
Originally posted by livingfiction:
RAW can be a great way of fixing some things without having to PS them. But with something like this you were smart to stick to what you know. Wouldn't want to experiment with pics like these. You did a great job, you already seem to be aware of the problems with the light, I think this is some lovely portrait work.


:) Thanks, Michael. I'm going to read up on RAW and see what the advantages are. I've never really researched it at all. :) You have some really nice model shots in your portfolio!


Thanks for the compliment. MrAkamai is right about being able to shoot RAW with embedded JPG, I'm simply not familiar with your camera's abilities. It's worth the research, but mess with it when you can go out and just shoot for fun, not worrying about the results, or a time frame.
 09/27/2004 01:58:51 AM · #31
Oh, one more thing...if I were to let you use my camera and shoot a few dozen photos, give or take, and then look at them on the LCD, would you know if they were JPG or RAW? No, you wouldn't. You do not need to take the picture any differently if you shoot RAW. The only difference is post processing. Just wanted to clarify that little bit of information. :)
 09/27/2004 02:14:44 AM · #32
Yet another of my famous replies to my own reply. OK, here is a before and after of the same RAW file but I apologize for the cropping as they're not exactly the same but it is the same photo, I guarantee that much. The before photo is just opened in CS, cropped and resized (bicubic) and the after shot is after I did some work to the RAW file and some minor adjustments to levels (no curves) and USM.

Before:


After:


The lovely model is my sister's Maltese, Madeline.
 09/27/2004 11:09:42 AM · #33
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
Yet another of my famous replies to my own reply. OK, here is a before and after of the same RAW file but I apologize for the cropping as they're not exactly the same but it is the same photo, I guarantee that much. The before photo is just opened in CS, cropped and resized (bicubic) and the after shot is after I did some work to the RAW file and some minor adjustments to levels (no curves) and USM.

The lovely model is my sister's Maltese, Madeline.


And you couldn't have done this just using the adjustment features in CS with a hi-res jpeg? That's the part I don't understand. I did some reading last night and downloaded the Olympus plug-in. I didn't have time to play with it last night, but I did dream about it all night (guess it was on the brain). I've got my camera with me today, and I'm going to do some RAW test shots. We'll see what happens.

Oh, and I know I don't need the plug-in for CS, it's just that I have CS at work, but 7.0 on my home laptop.
09/27/2004 11:18:27 AM · #34
I'm gonna reply to my reply! Just took a raw shot, and opened it in CS... HOW COOL IS THAT!!!! I've got some serious playing and learning to do. It's a huge file... I bought a total of 768mb in CF cards last week... I think I need a lot more to consider doing this for an entire photoshoot, right? But way cool. Thanks for pushing me into the RAW land. :)
 09/27/2004 11:20:06 AM · #35
Chin down is very important - most people think putting their head back is flattering, but it's sooo not.

The one or two shots from slightly above her are good. WHy not try some movement, that's a beautiful dress she's wearing, bet it'd be nice if she was twirling or spinning, walking fast, etc. Then again if you were just trying to get that one great portrait shot then I think you just need to get a little closer and learn a little about interesting and flattering poses. Front on shots are hard to be get that are flattering, turning her upper body will help. Stuff like that.

GOod luck! :-)

Message edited by author 2004-09-27 11:23:29.
 09/27/2004 11:21:50 AM · #36
raw land...that sounds like a good adventure for me. Can you open raw things right up in PS 7? Guess I need to play with it too. Sun dappling through trees is an exposure NIGHTMARE!
 09/27/2004 12:08:01 PM · #37
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
raw land...that sounds like a good adventure for me. Can you open raw things right up in PS 7? Guess I need to play with it too. Sun dappling through trees is an exposure NIGHTMARE!


PS7 has a plugin Called Camera Raw (Which incidentally has been integrated in PS8) where you can open RAW files, however not all cameras are supported. The newer cameras will require you to buy PS8. Good way for Adobe to get people to upgrade.
 09/27/2004 12:22:24 PM · #38
Originally posted by doctornick:
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
raw land...that sounds like a good adventure for me. Can you open raw things right up in PS 7? Guess I need to play with it too. Sun dappling through trees is an exposure NIGHTMARE!


PS7 has a plugin Called Camera Raw (Which incidentally has been integrated in PS8) where you can open RAW files, however not all cameras are supported. The newer cameras will require you to buy PS8. Good way for Adobe to get people to upgrade.


grrrrrrrr.....
 09/27/2004 01:51:54 PM · #39
Originally posted by annasense:
I'm gonna reply to my reply! Just took a raw shot, and opened it in CS... HOW COOL IS THAT!!!! I've got some serious playing and learning to do. It's a huge file... I bought a total of 768mb in CF cards last week... I think I need a lot more to consider doing this for an entire photoshoot, right? But way cool. Thanks for pushing me into the RAW land. :)


I won't say "I told ya so" because that would be mean. :)
 09/27/2004 01:55:32 PM · #40
Originally posted by grigrigirl:
raw land...that sounds like a good adventure for me. Can you open raw things right up in PS 7? Guess I need to play with it too. Sun dappling through trees is an exposure NIGHTMARE!


Here's a link to Adobe support that details all the cameras that are supported by CS/7.x RAW files:
//www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/319291.html
 09/27/2004 02:40:36 PM · #41
:( i need CS on my home computer!!!! I can't find any plug-in for 7.0. :( I did find a stand-alone conversion program, but I want the little PS controller!!
 09/27/2004 02:46:32 PM · #42
I'm glad you found RAW files easy to work with. I was going to toss that picture of Madeline but then I saw it was a RAW file and I was so happy and I had to try and save it. Hope you get a copy of CS soon so you can enjoy all the benefits of RAW files.
 09/27/2004 02:50:55 PM · #43
Originally posted by annasense:
I'm gonna reply to my reply! Just took a raw shot, and opened it in CS... HOW COOL IS THAT!!!! I've got some serious playing and learning to do. It's a huge file... I bought a total of 768mb in CF cards last week... I think I need a lot more to consider doing this for an entire photoshoot, right? But way cool. Thanks for pushing me into the RAW land. :)


Yes, I would get a minimum of a 1GB card (a few of them) if you plan to do a long photoshoot. Take a look at B&H, Newegg and I think Circuit City had deals on CF media a while back. I currently have 2x 512MB, 1x 1GB and a 4GB Microdrive. I plan to buy more 1GB CF flash media and maybe 2GB media just because they are faster than the Microdrive.

B&H has Sandisk Ultra II 1GB cards for $99 each. If you're a NAPP member you get free shipping, too.

Message edited by author 2004-09-27 17:58:07.
 09/27/2004 07:37:22 PM · #44
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
I'm glad you found RAW files easy to work with. I was going to toss that picture of Madeline but then I saw it was a RAW file and I was so happy and I had to try and save it. Hope you get a copy of CS soon so you can enjoy all the benefits of RAW files.


I just found out I'm going to get CS through my work. :) Happy happy happy!! I bought a 4x 512mb CF card at CompUSA over the weekend-- it was $50 with a $20 mail-in rebate, so $30! I'll probably go back tomorrow to load up on a few more. Thanks again, Greg, for your help!!
 09/27/2004 08:13:14 PM · #45
Originally posted by annasense:
I just found out I'm going to get CS through my work. :) Happy happy happy!! I bought a 4x 512mb CF card at CompUSA over the weekend-- it was $50 with a $20 mail-in rebate, so $30! I'll probably go back tomorrow to load up on a few more. Thanks again, Greg, for your help!!


A couple of words of caution with slower CF cards: they're slow. If you plan to shoot RAW format photos, I would strongly suggest buying the fastest memory cards you can afford and in the highest capacity. The multiplier factor (in your case 4x) is 4 x 150kb/sec which is roughly 600Kb/sec before any overhead. There was a link to a site that demonstrated how fast these cards really are and most of the time they were not really close to their advertised speeds. Having said that, you'll be lucky to get 300Kb/sec from that 4x card. Now if you're writing a 6 or 7MB RAW file, it'll be painfully slow. If you can return those 4x cards, I'd highly suggest you do so and buy faster media.
 09/27/2004 08:38:06 PM · #46
Hey, another reply to a reply! OK, I found the site I was looking for: //www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007

This has lots of detailed info on card speeds and is worth a look. :)
 09/27/2004 08:48:16 PM · #47
Originally posted by MrAkamai:
Hey, another reply to a reply! OK, I found the site I was looking for: //www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007

This has lots of detailed info on card speeds and is worth a look. :)


Thanks so much!! You've been MOST helpful!
 09/27/2004 09:29:32 PM · #48
Your quite welcome. I like to help others as many have helped me with my questions. That's what I love most about this site!

And what did your friend think of the photos? You haven't told us her reaction yet. :)
 10/03/2004 12:02:42 PM · #49
Just an update to everyone who helped... the bride loved the photos, especially after the retouching. :)

Just click here to see the final color shots. (The b/w ones on that page were just rough versions so she could get an idea of what they look like. I redid them yesterday, but I'm not going to upload them anywhere, I'm just going to put them on the CD for the bride.)

Also, I didn't crop any of them down... not knowing what size she wants to order, I didn't want to take out any elements. I kept asking her to specify sizes, but she just couldn't decide.

Message edited by author 2004-10-03 12:03:05.
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