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09/22/2004 03:39:00 PM · #1 |
i was just wondering if maybe i missunderstood the topic... 'or make the viewer feel your subject' is the second part of description. does this mean to try and bring out a certain emotion in the viewer? to try and make them feel sad, or happy,..?
thats what i got out of it, what about you? |
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09/22/2004 03:41:25 PM · #2 |
I understood: Let them feel "the texture" of your subject, like al the needles, but then without touching, let the viewer feel how sharp the needle is or how soft the bed, dog etc.. without showing hands, fingers or other bodyparts...
But I think I made a mistake...
Message edited by author 2004-09-22 15:42:05. |
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09/22/2004 03:47:30 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Philos31:
I understood: Let them feel "the texture" of your subject, like al the needles, but then without touching, let the viewer feel how sharp the needle is or how soft the bed, dog etc.. without showing hands, fingers or other bodyparts...
But I think I made a mistake... |
This is how I interpreted the topic. I, too, miscalculated how others would see it. No right, no wrong. I'm just in the minority. ;-)
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09/22/2004 03:51:01 PM · #4 |
I think challenges here fall into two distinct categories, the clear 'stop motion' type or the more ambiguous 'touch' type.
I personally find it easier as a beginner to take part in the more obvious challenge and leave the 'open to interpretation' type to others. I have never received an 'off topic' comment so maybe I'm too literal in my thinking? That said, people will always read instructions differently and that is one of the beauties of dpc (and mankind).
"When I conform, it will be on my terms" Did I see this in someones sig? is it a famous quote? for a moment I thought it was all my own work, but like everything I guess its been said before lol
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09/22/2004 03:55:22 PM · #5 |
I assumed, by the fact that the challenge is called "touch", and the context of that usage in the challenge description, that "making them feel the subject" meant to present obvious texture. I don't see why half of it would be physical touch and the other emotional.
I guess I take things to literally. Maybe the physical touch reason is why the voting seems to be erratic on my image.
Message edited by author 2004-09-22 15:56:48. |
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09/22/2004 04:11:17 PM · #6 |
Why can't we just let people interpret a challenge topic as they see fit, ...then score them according to THEIR interpretation? Isn't that the essence of artistic freedom (or should I say "license")? The trick then would be to open your mind to understanding varying interpretations.
This has been discussed many times, but I rarely ding anyone for not meeting the challenge - unless it's an obvious/blatant attempt to ignore the topic. But I guess that's a matter of interpretation, too.
Yikes! Am I ever getting killed in this one!!
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09/22/2004 04:12:13 PM · #7 |
I did not compete in this challenge since the details of the challenge was so vague. I started a thread here to ask others opinions about this challenge and there interpretation of. I thought that the second half of the challenge details could mean emotion [i.e. Make the viewer feel the subjects pain, happiness, joy, and etc]. I actually submitted this photo based on touch of emotion but then un-submitted it because I didn't think many people would agree with me. When I see this man I feel his pain! But I was thinking way out of the box. Did I make the right decision?
Message edited by author 2006-01-06 13:35:05. |
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09/22/2004 04:15:55 PM · #8 |
For me there's no ambiguity,
"Represent the sense of touch in your photograph, or make the viewer feel your subject"
As far as I know, emotions are not a sense. Tactile feelings/Touch is a sense.
I will however, score both interpretations, as meeting the challenge when I vote.
Maybe we need a sixth sense challenge... ;)
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09/22/2004 04:18:48 PM · #9 |
That what make this world a great place to live in.Opinion to all could deffer.What means touch to you. Does nt have to touch me.Reality of life could be touch.Someone reaching out to touch something.Seem to be the touch of this challenge.Cause that seem to be the majority of the picture.Those picture that arent of people reaching to touch something are probably being voted down.That SAD
Message edited by author 2004-09-22 16:22:07. |
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09/22/2004 04:24:59 PM · #10 |
Theodore Sturgeon wrote a book called A Touch of Strange
Mass simultaneous contraction of the arrector pili muscles (aka gooseflesh) might be considered a tactile response to an emotional state ... |
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09/22/2004 04:29:56 PM · #11 |
I think it would have been limited to the physical sense of touch ONLY if it had read "Represent the sense of touch in your photograph. Make the viewer feel your subject." Throwing that little word OR in there opens it up to multiple interpretations.
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09/22/2004 05:19:31 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
When I see this man I feel his pain! But I was thinking way out of the box. Did I make the right decision?
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I would have interpreted the photo as you'd intended and it would have struck a chord for me. However, I'd have deducted points for exposure; so much is lost in not being able to really see his facial expression. I'm thinking mid-day sun would have been the enemy of my vote. But as far as intention and interpretation, I'm with you. |
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09/22/2004 05:38:17 PM · #13 |
for the record, i think mine fits both the physical and the emotional senses of touch, and i'm still sinking below a 5. but some nice person gave me a 10, so :p on everyone else!!
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09/22/2004 05:40:25 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by peete:
i was just wondering if maybe i missunderstood the topic... 'or make the viewer feel your subject' is the second part of description. does this mean to try and bring out a certain emotion in the viewer? to try and make them feel sad, or happy,..?
thats what i got out of it, what about you? |
Peete - I agree with your assesment of the challenge guidelines... to make the viewer feel your subject. I took that approach and am getting beat up in the scoring... |
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09/22/2004 05:46:14 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by annasense:
but some nice person gave me a 10, so :p on everyone else!! |
How do you see what your scores are before the voting ends?
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09/22/2004 06:02:53 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by kennyt:
How do you see what your scores are before the voting ends? |
you hit the update button every minute and keep track of the changes in number of votes and average votes received...it's a sickness that is only cured by internet service disruption or harddrive failure |
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09/22/2004 06:04:30 PM · #17 |
| I have that sickness already lol. Just haven't started hitting that update button so hard .......yet |
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09/22/2004 06:29:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by kennyt:
Originally posted by annasense:
but some nice person gave me a 10, so :p on everyone else!! |
How do you see what your scores are before the voting ends? |
someone left a comment and said they gave me a 10. :)
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09/22/2004 06:38:07 PM · #19 |
For what it's worth. I'm with the "emotioinalists" on this debate. My Touch submission is getting absolutely hammered (the only comment received suggests that I give up digital photography!) and quite honestly I wouldn't change a pixel of it.
If I see a finger with a pin in it, I see a pin sticking in a finger.
If I see a child in pain and distress with an injured finger, I feel the pain emotionally. To touch is to connect.
Someone once said that the English don't like music..But they love the sound it makes! I'm with the English |
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09/22/2004 06:41:37 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by annasense:
Originally posted by kennyt:
Originally posted by annasense:
but some nice person gave me a 10, so :p on everyone else!! |
How do you see what your scores are before the voting ends? |
someone left a comment and said they gave me a 10. :) |
and if you're poppin the heck out of your update button and analyzing the changes in votes and averages, you can tell if they really gave you a 10, or if they just wanted to make you feel good ;) |
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09/22/2004 06:49:24 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by kennyt:
How do you see what your scores are before the voting ends? |
you hit the update button every minute and keep track of the changes in number of votes and average votes received...it's a sickness that is only cured by internet service disruption or harddrive failure |
I guess it's membership that delivers the update button. I only get an update on the hour. (I'll join when I get a better camera.) |
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09/22/2004 08:06:19 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
...(the only comment received suggests that I give up digital photography!) ... |
ROFLMAO!
Fibonacci: I think you should be glad that someone cares enough to tell you their opinion, as I am having one of my worst scoring experiences (periodically pathetic) with not a single comment. I find myself being jealous of your position among those with comments!
But, I digress. Question for the group at large:
Isn't the most important word of the challenge "or"?
Details: Represent the sense of touch in your photograph,OR make the viewer feel your subject.
Seems to me that we should be voting EITHER the tactile OR the emotional interpertation as being in bounds, and on topic. Both might be better, but either should be "OK" and allow us to judge the photograph on its merits.
Just a thought. |
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09/22/2004 08:44:35 PM · #23 |
Well said Bill
Since posting my message, I have received a comment saying "very touching"
If one person got my meaning, I couldn't care less about the score. |
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09/22/2004 09:09:16 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Why can't we just let people interpret a challenge topic as they see fit, ...then score them according to THEIR interpretation? Isn't that the essence of artistic freedom (or should I say "license")? The trick then would be to open your mind to understanding varying interpretations.
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people dont see the same things. they all have their own interpretation and score according to what they think. its asking for a lot to ask everyone to open their mind to others...
Originally posted by Drake:
Peete - I agree with your assesment of the challenge guidelines... to make the viewer feel your subject. I took that approach and am getting beat up in the scoring... |
same here. but im glad to see im not the only one who looked at it differently, so maybe i will get a few high scores! but in the end im very happy with my photo, and i dont let the scores bring me down... |
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09/22/2004 10:05:47 PM · #25 |
I guess this is the beauty of any form of artistic expression. It is somewhat of a paradox. If we were limited to participate in the challenge solely within the realms of the written description, we would likely have been e-mailed a technical reference manual vs a briefly phrased description. Since joining DP, I have equally enjoyed the skilled photography as I have the bold inspiration it must have taken to have captured the image. This is a tough challenge and unfortunately seems to be judged harshly on the interpretation.
Next time, lets call it " Physically touch a rock. A rock!! OKAY!"
What the heck do I know anyhow?? |
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