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09/08/2004 07:55:06 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Calling on MadMordegon , where do you live? The reason I ask is you seem VERY opposed to President Bush and post every link you can about the War in Iraq and why is it Bush to blame for it and so on.
Im just curious as to all this anger you have for 1 person.
James |
Well, his profile says "Earth" but I think that is sometimes questionable. |
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09/08/2004 07:59:21 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Calling on MadMordegon , where do you live? The reason I ask is you seem VERY opposed to President Bush and post every link you can about the War in Iraq and why is it Bush to blame for it and so on.
Im just curious as to all this anger you have for 1 person.
James |
I think you're confounding anger at Mr. Bush's policies and anger against him as a person. To be frank, I don't have a strong opinion on Mr. Bush as person, but I do have strong opinions against his administration's policies -- specially on Iraq. I don't know if you've followed my posts on the subject in other threads; however, in those posts I hope to have conveyed the many legitimate reasons that I -- and many others -- have for opposing the Bush administration's drive to war, and subsequent mismanagement.
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P.S. If you've missed my posts, I can repost them here for your convenience.
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09/08/2004 08:43:07 PM · #28 |
Bush is just the figurehead for the policies that his administation has been pursuing and I don't have anger towards the man. I do feel, however, that at no point in the history of the US have we been faced with such a threat to democracy and freedom as we do with the Bush administation. To be fair, though, this probably started before his regime, but many in his administration were also members of other regimes that were also threats, such as Reagan's and Bush senior.
I think what we are all railing against, and what the current Bush administration is pushing for most ardently is the New World Order. |
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09/08/2004 09:00:46 PM · #29 |
Hmmm, ridiculous, slanderous phrases like "regime" and "threat to democracy". Yeah, sounds like you have no animous against "the man", only his murdering, nazi-facist, dictatorial, baby-seal-clubbing regime of an administration. How could we have possibly gotten confused???
C'mon, man, there's still hope for you. Just put down the coolaid and walk towards the light. It's easy - you just need to take that first step. Just repeat after me: "George Bush is not flying black helicopters over my house". ;) |
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09/08/2004 09:12:13 PM · #30 |
Approve Disapprove for Bush
Overall First-Term Average to Date 63% 26
â€Â¢ 2004 Average to Date 49% 43
â€Â¢ 2003 Average to Date 59% 30
â€Â¢ 2002 Average to Date 72% 18
â€Â¢ 2001 Average to Date 69% 18
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09/08/2004 09:16:44 PM · #31 |
I don̢۪t hate Mr. Bush. I do hate how he is running his administration, the choices they have made and the Iraq war. I also hate where I see him taking the US. I disagree with many of his policies and his overall position and style of leadership being the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I don̢۪t think he makes a good president.
However, he seems like he would be a great rich friend to have, drinking and playing golf and what not. |
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09/08/2004 09:20:32 PM · #32 |
| Some new polls indicate that the Democratic nominee has some work to do. If the election were held today, the most recent "Newsweek" poll shows in a three-way race, Bush holds an 11-point lead over Kerry. |
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09/08/2004 09:39:34 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Hmmm, ridiculous, slanderous phrases like "regime" and "threat to democracy". Yeah, sounds like you have no animous against "the man", only his murdering, nazi-facist, dictatorial, baby-seal-clubbing regime of an administration. How could we have possibly gotten confused???
C'mon, man, there's still hope for you. Just put down the coolaid and walk towards the light. It's easy - you just need to take that first step. Just repeat after me: "George Bush is not flying black helicopters over my house". ;) |
So Scott, in your opinion, what is it about me and so many here on DPC and so many around the nation that oppose Bush? There were so many people protesting in the streets against the RNC last week. 500,000+ on Sunday alone. Why would people be spending a lot of their free time to do this? What's your considered analysis?
edit added: So what's so bad about using the word regime? It simply means a government in power.
Message edited by author 2004-09-08 22:08:42. |
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09/08/2004 09:58:20 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Hmmm, ridiculous, slanderous phrases like "regime" and "threat to democracy". Yeah, sounds like you have no animous against "the man", only his murdering, nazi-facist, dictatorial, baby-seal-clubbing regime of an administration. How could we have possibly gotten confused???
C'mon, man, there's still hope for you. Just put down the coolaid and walk towards the light. It's easy - you just need to take that first step. Just repeat after me: "George Bush is not flying black helicopters over my house". ;) |
So Scott, in your opinion, what is it about me and so many here on DPC and so many around the nation that oppose Bush? There were so many people protesting in the streets against the RNC last week. 500,000+ on Sunday alone. Why would people be spending a lot of their free time to do this? What's your considered analysis? |
I find it sort of funny how we had 500,000 protesters in NY and then only a hand full in Boston. OH YA maybe the Free Speech Cages in Boston sort of slowed em down. The Dems put them in cages because they believe so mightily in the right to Free Speech. Then again maybe the Democrats do not really think we have the right to protest unless we̢۪re in cages, that is. |
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09/08/2004 10:04:21 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by jmritz:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Hmmm, ridiculous, slanderous phrases like "regime" and "threat to democracy". Yeah, sounds like you have no animous against "the man", only his murdering, nazi-facist, dictatorial, baby-seal-clubbing regime of an administration. How could we have possibly gotten confused???
C'mon, man, there's still hope for you. Just put down the coolaid and walk towards the light. It's easy - you just need to take that first step. Just repeat after me: "George Bush is not flying black helicopters over my house". ;) |
So Scott, in your opinion, what is it about me and so many here on DPC and so many around the nation that oppose Bush? There were so many people protesting in the streets against the RNC last week. 500,000+ on Sunday alone. Why would people be spending a lot of their free time to do this? What's your considered analysis? |
I find it sort of funny how we had 500,000 protesters in NY and then only a hand full in Boston. OH YA maybe the Free Speech Cages in Boston sort of slowed em down. The Dems put them in cages because they believe so mightily in the right to Free Speech. Then again maybe the Democrats do not really think we have the right to protest unless we̢۪re in cages, that is. |
Well, in NY, there was steel pens to corral everybody in.
Do you really think the democrats and republicans are all that much different? The republicans may be more to the right than the dems, but the dems are to the right of center these days. There really isn't anything very liberal about the current crop of democrats out there.
Message edited by author 2004-09-08 22:19:05. |
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09/08/2004 10:10:16 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by midnightride2:
Some new polls indicate that the Democratic nominee has some work to do. If the election were held today, the most recent "Newsweek" poll shows in a three-way race, Bush holds an 11-point lead over Kerry. |
I'm a strong Kerry supporter, and that NEWSWEEK poll doesn't have me too worried. Now, if it were late October and if we had had at least one debate, and the NEWSWEEK poll remained the same... well, then I'd be worried.
As it stands now, the race remains extremely close. In fact, most polls show just that:
This is a screen shot of registered voters taken from the PollingReport.com website, which does a great job of compiling national polls.
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Speaking of debates, looks like Mr. Bush is trying to get out of 1 of the 3 scheduled presidential debates.
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09/08/2004 10:57:26 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by bdobe:
Originally posted by jab119:
Calling on MadMordegon , where do you live? The reason I ask is you seem VERY opposed to President Bush and post every link you can about the War in Iraq and why is it Bush to blame for it and so on.
Im just curious as to all this anger you have for 1 person.
James |
I think you're confounding anger at Mr. Bush's policies and anger against him as a person. |
Nope the original post was a link to Bush's service record, NOTHING about the Bush Administration.
James
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09/08/2004 11:01:11 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
I don̢۪t hate Mr. Bush. I do hate how he is running his administration, the choices they have made and the Iraq war. I also hate where I see him taking the US. I disagree with many of his policies and his overall position and style of leadership being the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I don̢۪t think he makes a good president.
However, he seems like he would be a great rich friend to have, drinking and playing golf and what not. |
Thats good to know, but remember the president for the most part is just a puppet with someone elses had up his ass controlling him.
James
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09/08/2004 11:05:17 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
I don̢۪t hate Mr. Bush. I do hate how he is running his administration, the choices they have made and the Iraq war. I also hate where I see him taking the US. I disagree with many of his policies and his overall position and style of leadership being the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I don̢۪t think he makes a good president.
However, he seems like he would be a great rich friend to have, drinking and playing golf and what not. |
Thats good to know, but remember the president for the most part is just a puppet with someone elses had up his ass controlling him.
James |
You are so right. |
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09/09/2004 08:18:39 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
There were so many people protesting in the streets against the RNC last week. 500,000+ on Sunday alone. Why would people be spending a lot of their free time to do this? What's your considered analysis? |
Here's the transcript of an interview with just ONE of the 500,000+ people protesting in the streets against the RNC. Judge for yourself why people would be spending a lot of their free time to do this.
From Joel Mowbray's column:
Typically clueless was Bryan Martin, 25, a New Yorker carrying a "No Draft, No Way" placard. Following is a verbatim transcript of this columnists' conversation with Mr. Martin:
Q: "What are you protesting?"
A: "I'm protesting a war we shouldn't be fighting."
Q: "Are you protesting the Democrats with that sign?"
A: "No, the Republicans."
Q: "Are you aware that the Democrats are the only ones proposing a reinstatement of the draft?"
A: "Wasn't that tongue-in-cheek?"
Q: "No."
A: "Oh. Well, they just gave me the sign at 14th Street (the demonstration's starting point). I don't really know what it means."
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09/09/2004 08:41:30 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
There were so many people protesting in the streets against the RNC last week. 500,000+ on Sunday alone. Why would people be spending a lot of their free time to do this? What's your considered analysis? |
Here's the transcript of an interview with just ONE of the 500,000+ people protesting in the streets against the RNC. Judge for yourself why people would be spending a lot of their free time to do this.
From Joel Mowbray's column:
Typically clueless was Bryan Martin, 25, a New Yorker carrying a "No Draft, No Way" placard. Following is a verbatim transcript of this columnists' conversation with Mr. Martin:
Q: "What are you protesting?"
A: "I'm protesting a war we shouldn't be fighting."
Q: "Are you protesting the Democrats with that sign?"
A: "No, the Republicans."
Q: "Are you aware that the Democrats are the only ones proposing a reinstatement of the draft?"
A: "Wasn't that tongue-in-cheek?"
Q: "No."
A: "Oh. Well, they just gave me the sign at 14th Street (the demonstration's starting point). I don't really know what it means."
Ron |
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
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09/09/2004 09:35:34 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
They are probably that same group of people who just show up to protest because its something to do. The Abortion Clinic Protest are not the trendy thing to do right now so they will just show up some where to vent their anger.
Kinda like the PETA people who show up to protest fur shops , pet stores and KFC while they are wearing leather goods (not the fake stuff either), or the Green Peace people who drive fossil fuel burning vehicles that cant pass an emissions test, but scream at me for driving an SUV.
James
Message edited by author 2004-09-09 09:36:51. |
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09/09/2004 09:39:02 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
They are probably that same group of people who just show up to protest because its something to do. The Abortion Clinic Protest are not the trendy thing to do right now so they will just show up some where to vent their anger.
Kinda like the PETA people who show up to protest fur shops , pet stores and KFC while they are wearing leather goods (not the fake stuff either), or the Green Peace people who drive fossil fuel burning vehicles that cant pass an emissions test, but scream at me for driving an SUV.
James |
Yeah, right. |
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09/09/2004 09:43:53 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
C'mon, man, there's still hope for you. Just put down the coolaid and walk towards the light. It's easy - you just need to take that first step. Just repeat after me: "George Bush is not flying black helicopters over my house". ;) |
I wonder if George W Bush was drinking coolaid when he was supposed to show up for his National Guard medicals, but failed to do so. ;)
Message edited by author 2004-09-09 09:44:36. |
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09/09/2004 09:58:22 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
Without asking all of them individually, I have no idea why they would be out there protesting. I suppose since the one guy that Ron posted about doesn't match what you want the answer to be, its safe to just dismiss that one.
I can tell you why I don't go out and protest though. I have much better things to do with my time. I feel strongly about a lot of issues, but protesting rarely has any results. There are better ways to be heard and to make things happen. Protesting, getting arrested, sneaking in to the convention so you can yell... all seem a little childish to me. Other then costing the New York tax payers a fortune, and giving the NYPD some extra overtime for a week, what did they accomplish?
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09/09/2004 10:25:08 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
1) Republicans / conservatives are typically independent thinkers; Democrats / liberals are usually more inclined to "group-think" - therefore, it's much more difficult to get Republicans / conservatives to gather en-masse to protest than it is to get Democrats / liberals to gather and protest.
2) As shown by the interview, it is fairly easy to get Democrats / liberals to protest even when they don't know what it is they are protesting for/against.
3) The population of New York City is over 13 times that of Boston ( 8+ million, vs. 600 thousand ). Hence, even if reason number 1 were NOT true, you would only expect 1/16 as many protesters in Boston ( namely, 1/13 of 500,000, or 36,784 ).
4) Many, if not most, of the protests in NYC were coordinated by socialist and/or communist supported organizations, and, as a rule, those are not the kinds of organizations that protest Democratic/Socialistic gatherings.
Ron
Message edited by author 2004-09-09 10:25:42. |
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09/09/2004 10:38:51 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
1) Republicans / conservatives are typically independent thinkers; Democrats / liberals are usually more inclined to "group-think" - therefore, it's much more difficult to get Republicans / conservatives to gather en-masse to protest than it is to get Democrats / liberals to gather and protest.
2) As shown by the interview, it is fairly easy to get Democrats / liberals to protest even when they don't know what it is they are protesting for/against.
3) The population of New York City is over 13 times that of Boston ( 8+ million, vs. 600 thousand ). Hence, even if reason number 1 were NOT true, you would only expect 1/16 as many protesters in Boston ( namely, 1/13 of 500,000, or 36,784 ).
4) Many, if not most, of the protests in NYC were coordinated by socialist and/or communist supported organizations, and, as a rule, those are not the kinds of organizations that protest Democratic/Socialistic gatherings.
Ron |
Yes, I know what you mean about republicans/conservatives being independent thinkers...like the way they blindly followed their leader as he and his henchmen intentionally misled them to war (MY OPINION). Very independent thinkers they are, these republicans. |
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09/09/2004 11:03:07 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Yes, I know what you mean about republicans/conservatives being independent thinkers...like the way they blindly followed their leader as he and his henchmen intentionally misled them to war (MY OPINION). Very independent thinkers they are, these republicans. |
Do you work for Fox News or CNN??? you sound just like a media type with that statement.
The US Government will go to war if they want to with out asking permission from us first. Remember its more than just the President who makes the decision to go to war, or did you forget that also. You elected these people to act on your behalf, you should write them a letter stating your displeasure about starting a war you are not happy with.
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09/09/2004 11:15:02 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
1) Republicans / conservatives are typically independent thinkers; Democrats / liberals are usually more inclined to "group-think" - therefore, it's much more difficult to get Republicans / conservatives to gather en-masse to protest than it is to get Democrats / liberals to gather and protest.
2) As shown by the interview, it is fairly easy to get Democrats / liberals to protest even when they don't know what it is they are protesting for/against.
3) The population of New York City is over 13 times that of Boston ( 8+ million, vs. 600 thousand ). Hence, even if reason number 1 were NOT true, you would only expect 1/16 as many protesters in Boston ( namely, 1/13 of 500,000, or 36,784 ).
4) Many, if not most, of the protests in NYC were coordinated by socialist and/or communist supported organizations, and, as a rule, those are not the kinds of organizations that protest Democratic/Socialistic gatherings.
Ron |
Man the generalizations are flying like crazy now eh? You actually said communist organized NYC protests. Wow. |
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09/09/2004 11:16:11 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I'm sure the other 499,000 people knew what they were protesting for, but this still does not answer the question as to why so many people were in the streets protesting. |
1) Republicans / conservatives are typically independent thinkers; Democrats / liberals are usually more inclined to "group-think" - therefore, it's much more difficult to get Republicans / conservatives to gather en-masse to protest than it is to get Democrats / liberals to gather and protest.
2) As shown by the interview, it is fairly easy to get Democrats / liberals to protest even when they don't know what it is they are protesting for/against.
3) The population of New York City is over 13 times that of Boston ( 8+ million, vs. 600 thousand ). Hence, even if reason number 1 were NOT true, you would only expect 1/16 as many protesters in Boston ( namely, 1/13 of 500,000, or 36,784 ).
4) Many, if not most, of the protests in NYC were coordinated by socialist and/or communist supported organizations, and, as a rule, those are not the kinds of organizations that protest Democratic/Socialistic gatherings.
Ron |
Yes, I know what you mean about republicans/conservatives being independent thinkers...like the way they blindly followed their leader as he and his henchmen intentionally misled them to war (MY OPINION). Very independent thinkers they are, these republicans. |
Must be a lot of Democrats that you despise, too - like the 29 Democratic Senators and 82 Democratic Congressmen who were also "misled" into voting to authorize Bush to proceed against Sadaam Hussein without U.N. approval.
I think that you should work to insure that they are not re-elected.
Ron |
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