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 09/07/2004 05:24:53 PM · #1
I've gotten 42 comments on my framed entry. 90% have said they love it. 10% tell me it doesn't fit the challenge.

Go back and look and really think about each photo and make sure that a photo doesn't fit the challenge before you nail it to the floor.

My forground subject absolutely frames the rest of the image! Look again and think about it.

This goes for every challenge, and every photo.
Not just mine.

Message edited by author 2004-09-07 18:06:02.
 09/07/2004 05:34:57 PM · #2
You have to remember that people will judge the photo according to their own methods. Even though you may think the challenge description is clear there will be people who never read it or read it to mean different things.

For example, you say your foreground subject frames the rest of the image. Is the foreground framing the "subject" of your photo? Some will be strict and insist that it is. Not to mention that what you consider to be a significant subject others will see as a minor element. Other people will read foreground subject to mean object/element and look to the background for a subject and judge on how effectively that object is framed. Still others will be judging on how much of a frame there is. The coverage of how many sides constitutes a frame is very individual.

Add to this a thousand different other subjective criteria and you can see how many people will think your photo either does or does not meet the challenge.
 09/07/2004 05:40:57 PM · #3
Originally posted by ericlimon:
I've gotten 42 comments on my framed entry. 90% have said they love it. 10% tell me it doesn't fit the challenge.

Go back and look and really think about each photo and make sure that a photo doesn't fit the challenge before you nail it to the floor.

My forground subject absolutely frames the rest of the image! Please look again and think about it.

This goes for every challenge, and every photo.
Not just mine.


If only 10% of people see it as not meeting the challenge you have done very well and if you have 42 comments and 90% are positive then you have NOTHING to complain about.
Don't take it so serious and you and everyone else will enjoy the site more and we won't have to put up with these petty complaints post.
 09/07/2004 05:44:23 PM · #4
Originally posted by ericlimon:
I've gotten 42 comments on my framed entry. 90% have said they love it. 10% tell me it doesn't fit the challenge.

Go back and look and really think about each photo and make sure that a photo doesn't fit the challenge before you nail it to the floor.

My forground subject absolutely frames the rest of the image! Please look again and think about it.

This goes for every challenge, and every photo.
Not just mine.


Gosh, no offense, but 42 comments and you're complaining!? I've had 5... two of which say my image was too dark (you said that, actually), and I fully intended it to be dark, but I accept that people will interpret and vote by their own tastes... such is life. I like my photo and the darkness it contains, and I stand by my decision to make it that way.
 09/07/2004 05:51:43 PM · #5
42 Comments! I only got 4 with 325 votes so far. I guess because I'm in the middle of the pack. it's not a great photo, but not a terrible one either. I guess most people only comment on the extremes.

Mark
 09/07/2004 05:52:39 PM · #6
Sorry if I seem to be complaining,
I just really think some voters need to be a little looser in their interpretations of the rules.

I'm not trying to post a "petty complaint post"
I'm asking people to go back and think about every image they vote on in EVERY challenge.


09/07/2004 05:54:43 PM · #7
Originally posted by Markof SRQ:
42 Comments! I only got 4 with 325 votes so far. I guess because I'm in the middle of the pack. it's not a great photo, but not a terrible one either. I guess most people only comment on the extremes.


My past 6 challenge and the 2 current challenge in the voting stage doesn't even add up to 42 comments.

Message edited by author 2004-09-07 17:55:59.
 09/07/2004 05:56:50 PM · #8
yeah wow 42 comments!!! that's awesome, i'm sitting at 11 and pretty happy with that. :-)
 09/07/2004 05:57:52 PM · #9
I think that if someone is strict on his/her interpretations of the rules, it's ok....as long as his/her method of judgement does not change along his/her voting range.

09/07/2004 06:23:45 PM · #10
i dont know about you, but if i had 40 something comments, i wouldnt give a crap if 10 percent of them didnt like it.
 09/07/2004 06:23:59 PM · #11
42 comments is only 39 more comments than I got. Geesh. Be grateful!
 09/07/2004 06:32:41 PM · #12
I don't care if they like it cause i do.

What i care about is people saying it doesn't fit the challenge when it does.

there is a difference.

should I go and say that every round "frame doesn't fit the challenge because a frame is traditionally 4 sided?
I don't think so.
I'll I'm asking is that people really think about if it fits or not


09/07/2004 06:34:31 PM · #13
You know, I'm really sick of the people that complain about other people complaining. And now I'm one of them, damnit! Wouldn't it be great if we could feel free to speak our minds here without the 'whinging' police jumping down our throats. If someone is unhappy with something, let them speak their minds for heavens' sakes. Maybe they might have something valid to say. But I'm going to try and resist the temptation to keep being sucked into these threads.
 09/07/2004 06:37:31 PM · #14
Originally posted by ericlimon:
Sorry if I seem to be complaining,
I just really think some voters need to be a little looser in their interpretations of the rules.

I'm not trying to post a "petty complaint post"
I'm asking people to go back and think about every image they vote on in EVERY challenge.


Some voters on this site are just anal about the way they vote and that's just life I guess. Some people see black and white others see varying shades. If they loosened up they might enjoy things a bit more.
Smile......
 09/07/2004 06:40:55 PM · #15
It worked!

thank you to those people who have gone back and reconsidered if photos fit the "framing" criteria!

since posting this thread,
3 people have gone back and changed their comments on my photo.

I just wanted to vent about if photos fit the challenge or not.

Just trying to loosen other peoples interpretations of "challenges"

trying to get other voters to think outside their own concepts of the rules, and to try to view what the other photographer was trying to express.


09/07/2004 06:42:37 PM · #16
Hey, let me give it a shot:

"It's a GOOD photograph!"

Now, I'll wait a few hours and see how my score improves!

Just kidding, I agree with your first post but I'm not sure we'll ever get around it!
 09/07/2004 06:44:12 PM · #17
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
You know, I'm really sick of the people that complain about other people complaining. And now I'm one of them, damnit! Wouldn't it be great if we could feel free to speak our minds here without the 'whinging' police jumping down our throats. If someone is unhappy with something, let them speak their minds for heavens' sakes. Maybe they might have something valid to say. But I'm going to try and resist the temptation to keep being sucked into these threads.


Let us speak our minds as well. Because we have something very valid to say " 10% of negative comments is not a bad thing" and he is complaining about people that are speaking their mind in their comments, the very thing you are complaining about.
 09/07/2004 06:46:58 PM · #18
Originally posted by keegbow:
Let us speak our minds as well. Because we have something very valid to say " 10% of negative comments is not a bad thing" and he is complaining about people that are speaking their mind in their comments, the very thing you are complaining about.


actually, I was complaining about people saying it doesn't fit the challenge. They all left nice comments, but also said it didn't fit the challenge, which it does. Go back and read what I wrote, instead of putting words in my mouth.
 09/07/2004 06:47:48 PM · #19
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
You know, I'm really sick of the people that complain about other people complaining. And now I'm one of them, damnit! Wouldn't it be great if we could feel free to speak our minds here without the 'whinging' police jumping down our throats. If someone is unhappy with something, let them speak their minds for heavens' sakes. Maybe they might have something valid to say. But I'm going to try and resist the temptation to keep being sucked into these threads.


Let us speak our minds as well. Because we have something very valid to say " 10% of negative comments is not a bad thing" and he is complaining about people that are speaking their mind in their comments, the very thing you are complaining about.


Fair point... but there is a nice and a nasty way of putting it. I think some people crossed the line in this thread.
 09/07/2004 06:52:18 PM · #20
I only have 2 comments........one was great the other was a comment, so that’s 50/50 for me...I don't think I have 42 comments total for all the challenges I have entered. I'm guessing you’re going to place high with this pic. With 90% good comments....42 comments in total....Eric you take really good pictures you average score is 5.8924 (almost a 6) you have only entered 5 challenges â€Â¦..and you already have a REDâ€Â¦.just be glad you have commentsâ€Â¦your pictures are obviously making people look at themâ€Â¦..isn’t that what you wantâ€Â¦.so what if they don’t like itâ€Â¦.they looked at it and even took the time to give you some feedback.
 09/07/2004 06:57:16 PM · #21
Originally posted by DarkRider:
I only have 2 comments........one was great the other was a comment, so that’s 50/50 for me...I don't think I have 42 comments total for all the challenges I have entered. I'm guessing you’re going to place high with this pic. With 90% good comments....42 comments in total....Eric you take really good pictures you average score is 5.8924 (almost a 6) you have only entered 5 challenges â€Â¦..and you already have a REDâ€Â¦.just be glad you have commentsâ€Â¦your pictures are obviously making people look at themâ€Â¦..isn’t that what you wantâ€Â¦.so what if they don’t like itâ€Â¦.they looked at it and even took the time to give you some feedback.


actually, I was complaining about people saying it doesn't fit the challenge. They all left nice comments, but also said it didn't fit the challenge, which it does.
09/07/2004 07:01:22 PM · #22
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
You know, I'm really sick of the people that complain about other people complaining. And now I'm one of them, damnit! Wouldn't it be great if we could feel free to speak our minds here without the 'whinging' police jumping down our throats. If someone is unhappy with something, let them speak their minds for heavens' sakes. Maybe they might have something valid to say. But I'm going to try and resist the temptation to keep being sucked into these threads.


Let us speak our minds as well. Because we have something very valid to say " 10% of negative comments is not a bad thing" and he is complaining about people that are speaking their mind in their comments, the very thing you are complaining about.


Fair point... but there is a nice and a nasty way of putting it. I think some people crossed the line in this thread.


You are probably right but the original post was a little aggresive to start with.
My whole point is just let people comment a post like this just discourages people from making comments and no one wants that. Peoples comments may differ from your view but so what it is all part and parcel to putting entries into a competition.
I think everyone should just deal with it and accept it you can't have everyone agreeing with you and to get 90% you have done very well.
 09/07/2004 07:07:06 PM · #23
Originally posted by ericlimon:
It worked!

thank you to those people who have gone back and reconsidered if photos fit the "framing" criteria!

since posting this thread,
3 people have gone back and changed their comments on my photo.

I just wanted to vent about if photos fit the challenge or not.

Just trying to loosen other peoples interpretations of "challenges"

trying to get other voters to think outside their own concepts of the rules, and to try to view what the other photographer was trying to express.


anyways,
this thread started out as a way to get voters to reconsider if a photo meets the challenge or not. I was complaining about people saying it doesn't fit the challenge. They all left nice comments, but also said it didn't fit the challenge, which it does.

3 of the people who wrote that it didn't meet the challenge have since changed their comments. I have PM'd them explaining my POV on the image.

the thread started out to try to shed some light on "challenge criteria" and it worked.
there is nothing left to say.

the end :)


09/07/2004 07:08:36 PM · #24
Interesting, I sympathise with your feelings. However, I have reached the conlusion that I am not going to ever complain again. Watch this, in this challenge my entry leaves no doubt about fitting the challemge, yet my score is way down into 5.2. So from now on, I will never say anything because the logic totally escapes me. Yes, I know what will take a ribbon most of the time, but since I love to experiment I will always wonder from the norm. The main problem is that we have a fair amount of members who truly look at an image while we also have a balancing amount who take a superficial look and reach assessments based on a loose criteria. Yet, this is what we have to live with.

Therefore, I take the comments with a grain of salt. Every viewer brings their own pre-conceived matrix of judgement and being in this business so long I have learned that they cherished their convictions whether they are sound or not.

It is out job, if we want to win, to bring an exciting image, but we never really know which of the off-beat ideas will titillate their fancy. And when some decide the image does not fit the challenge, they will not see the light when it is explained to them. They are subject to a limiting blindness. So again, this is what we live with and even if the author of the image is misjudged, there is no redemption.
 09/07/2004 07:23:08 PM · #25
42 comments? Sounds like either a blue ribbon, or a brown one. Those are the 2 that tend to get the comments.
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