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09/05/2004 02:30:49 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Expounding on my previous post... I for one am looking forward to the chance to vote on many of my now, and many of my future, favorite photographers. If it works and they all don't get scared off by all the bad karma in these threads, there should be some damn good work to look at... |
The same quality images, from the same photographers would have been in a non-elitist Free Study -- nothing has been gained, only lost.
BTW: you look better in blue. :(
David
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09/05/2004 02:35:11 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
Originally posted by TooCool:
Expounding on my previous post... I for one am looking forward to the chance to vote on many of my now, and many of my future, favorite photographers. If it works and they all don't get scared off by all the bad karma in these threads, there should be some damn good work to look at... |
The same quality images, from the same photographers would have been in a non-elitist Free Study -- nothing has been gained, only lost.
BTW: you look better in blue. :(
David |
No one on the site council and neither of the admins ever promised me a periodic free challenge... I gain when one is announced, I do not lose when one isn't...
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09/05/2004 07:42:02 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I think it would also add immensely to this challenge that it be required of all "masters" who have submitted an entry that they be required to give some kind of in depth written critique along with their votes (their actual scores) on all pictures they vote on. Then there would be A LOT to learn from this challenge for all of the DPC community. This could be invaluable for all to learn from, imo. |
A very good idea. Take it a little further. Probably too late for the current Masters' but if there are more in the future the entrants should be required to give a full disclosure about there shot. Of course the usual f stop, ISO, shutter speed but also the lens used if a DSLR, location, the editing steps, the editing program(s) used, and some about what they were thinking when they shot, how they came up with the idea, and how did they tailor the vision toward doing well in the challenge. If we are having this challenge for the rest of us to learn from the "Masters" let's get them to share as much of their knowledge as possible. A SC member should check each upload to make sure it had everything before it went into voting stage. Sorry for the extra work SC but it won't be that many you would have to inspect. Nothing is quite as frustrating as finding an interesting shot when voting and wanting to know about it but then when you come back to it after voting to find that the Photographer's Comments section is as bare as Old Mother Hubbard's cupboard. |
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09/05/2004 09:58:07 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Terry, you are still sending the same message- that you care more about the elite, as measured by success in challenges, than you do about the masses; that you think those 100 or so are the most important to retain. I'm not sure I agree with that. |
No, that is still not what I am saying. In fact, the track record of the site should indicate quite the opposite. Every site change I can think of has been geared toward keeping as many people happy as possible -- especially those in the middle of the pack, who comprise the majority of site users. This is the first change in the history of the site that was directly intended to benefit those who are consistently at the top of the challenges.
These people have taught us a lot -- is it really too much to ask that we say "thank you" by providing them a tool to continue to grow?
Originally posted by coolhar:
How about expressing your opinion of the Challenge Suggestion I made last night please. Do you like the idea? or dislike it? Do you think it is workable? Want to propose any modifications? It's in a thread called Special Veterans Reprise Challenge. I'd really like to know your reaction. |
I read the idea last night and am still mulling it over. I will reply if I have anything to add that has not been stated by someone else.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 10:00:33 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
It's the elite who make this site worthwhile for the rest of us. If the photographers I look up to disappear, I'm going to learn less and am going to be less likely to hang around. I like your other suggestion though. |
This is the point I am trying to make. Keeping the most skilled on the site around benefits us all. This is not to say that you have to win multiple ribbons to be skilled... but it does mean that you have to be skilled to win miltiple ribbons.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 10:10:20 AM · #106 |
I haven't read through this whole thread because it just seems to be a bunch of whining from a few people and it's rather annoying.
The fact of the matter is this: For those that are paid members, you were promised a weekly open challenge and a weekly members challenge. That's it.
From what I can see on the front page, both of those challenges are still there, so stop complaining that you are losing something and go take same dang pictures.
Edit: spell like a 1st grader
Message edited by author 2004-09-05 10:11:18.
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09/05/2004 10:34:56 AM · #107 |
I'm surprised this thread is still going. Though I have no ribbons and probably never will, I think the Masters' Challenge is an interesting idea, and I have no gripes about it. I do, however, think it would be nice to have a challenge just for the people excluded - it would allow people who have not been able to get (2) ribbons due to the competition with the 'masters' in regular challenges to duke it out amongst themselves in an effort to win their own spots amidst the 'masters'. Sometimes all it takes to do better is a little more confidence in your abilities. I think it's easy to feel like you're simply never going to win with what seems like unbeatable competition, and that's not good for inspiration. A Novices' Challenge (or something to that effect) would also be a good way for people who are still learning to get more exposure by achieving better placements, and perhaps receive more constructive comments.
Just my two cents. I'm not going to complain either way, but I think it'd be fun for those of us who are less skilled to have more of a chance at winning, even if we can't beat the masters in the regular challenges :) It'd be a bit of an honour in itself to be amongst the top novices, I should think. I can certainly think of several photographers on here who would fit in that category, or who have just been unlucky with voting and come 1 or 2 placements shy of ribbons, but truly belong in the higher category, and this sort of challenge would give them that chance. |
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09/05/2004 10:53:48 AM · #108 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
... These people have taught us a lot -- is it really too much to ask that we say "thank you" by providing them a tool to continue to grow? .... |
Some of these people, the ones grouped as "Masters'", have taught us a lot. Some of them have taught us very little, or nothing at all. There are other ways to group subsets of the community that will give you people that are more deserving of a thank you. Those others should have been thanked first, or, at the very least, acknowledged and told that their thank you is on the way at the same time we thanked the "Masters'". The way it has been done says that success in challenges is the highest form of contribution to the site, the most deserving of thanks, but it isn't. Terry, the time and effort that you give us by serving on SC far exceeds what some of the "Masters'" give even though your first ribbon is still right around the corner. IMHO, and I don't think I'm alone, success in challenges is a poor measure of what a person gives to this community.
That's all from me for now. I'm going out to shoot. |
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09/05/2004 10:56:05 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
I really do hate to be the bearer of bad news for some of you who believe that "all men are created equal" crap, but SOME PEOPLE ARE BETTER PHOTOGRAPHERS THAN OTHERS.
Deal.
M |
Mavrik, you have hit the nail on the head and I'll bet you didn't even realize it. There are some photographers on this site who are mediocre at best - they know that and they really want to be better. Most folks in this category are working very hard, trying new things and learning as they go - and they are showing progress. Then there are those who suffer from insanity in that they do the same thing over and over again yet they expect a different result. They are their own worst enemy. Then there are those who are too arrogant to see that they are mediocre and their bitterness spews forth as they are just so damn pissed off that everyone else can't see their greatness.
Sounds like I'm being cruel doesn't it! But I'm not - certainly not trying to be. I am trying to be direct and honest as I feel that a wake up call is necessary.
There are many, many talented photographers on this site. Most of them are humble in their photographic genius and happy to share what they know with us. There are a number of the "masters" that I have contacted directly with a question or a request for advice and not once have any of them ever turned me down or made me feel stupid for asking in the first place. Think about that for a moment... they have lives, they have jobs, they have things to do with their time. And yet, they have been kind enough to share their valuable time and their wisdom with me and with others on this site. Amazingly, they seem even happy to do so! We can learn alot from them - not only about photography but about being good human beings.
Clara, you have nothing to apologize for. There are people in this world who are going to get upset about the tiniest of perceived slights. That is their problem and not yours. There are some folks here who need to grow up a little - get a life - learn how to evaluate their skills honestly - and learn how to improve if that is their goal. The fact that you feel badly for them only indicates that you are a caring individual. But you know what, I don't believe that emotional hand-holding was listed as a member benefit. |
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09/05/2004 12:03:22 PM · #110 |
I have already stated above that I think it would be great for ALL of the DPC community that those participating in this master's competition be required to post a somewhat in-depth critique of other's photos in the challenge, as well as, the actual score they are assigning. For me, this would be a very good learning experience.
In addition, I would love to know from these masters just what path(s) they took to master the photographic arts...what they think is most important to learn and how much of it is intuitive. Maybe something like this could be obtained in the interviews conducted by Dhare? |
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09/05/2004 12:04:49 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
This site, as I understand it, is about learning photography through a series of weekly challenges, with infrequent speed challenges and quarterly free studies tossed in. But in order to know how well a person is doing, it must be possible to compare current results with past results. The weekly (and speed) challenges do not offer this; each week stands on its own with a new subject and new requirements for a good image. Sure the subjects repeat occasionally, perhaps once a year at best, but that is no where near quick enough to be able to usefully compare past performance of any single photographer with their own current performance. This is what the quarterly free studies do. They have provided a regular, predictable chance to showcase immerging talent and developing skill. I feel once a quarter is about right, as any quicker and there would not be enough time for most of us to do any significant improving in our hobbies. However, if these free studies become irregular and unpredictable they no longer serve as a showcase of talent and ability, but of the time and resources available to the photographers.
The weekly challenges do not offer this chance to showcase ability and talent, as they are serving a quite different role. They 'challenge' us by providing topics that we would not normally look into, and as such serve the purpose of expanding horizons into new areas. Those that have "learned to shoot for challenges", as it has been said, have simply had their horizons expanded as far as the challenges are capable of expanding them. From their posts, they universally are looking for ways to beyond a lateral expansion of ability and delve deeply into some aspect of one (perhaps relatively small) area of photography that interests them. They have not 'out-grown' the idea of being challenged in their photographic endeavors, but simply have no need for their box to get any bigger than they have already expanded it. I feel (without the actual statistics to verify or debunk) that this is the reason many of those whose names were listed as masters do not compete in the weekly challenges -- however, they have been quite consistent in entering the quarterly free studies. |
If the challenges are left regular and predictible, they also lose their usefulness as showcases of talent and ability. It is very easy to cheat in a challenge whose dates and topic are known in advance. This is why Site Council decided IN JUNE to vary the dates and possibly even the duration of Free Study challenges (the idea of a free-study speed challenge was even tossed around). We decided we would continue to have 4 per year (and maybe even more), but they would no longer occur on a trimonthly interval. Frankly, when September 1 rolled around and no one complained about the lack of a Free Study, I thought everyone understood that, and so I never thought it would create this much of a stir when a day later a member came to me with an interesting idea that I thought was worth testing. After all, people were complaining that we never try anything new. Guess what? We're trying something new.
The decision to make the Masters' challenge a free study has only been made for this specific challenge. For the purposes of this test, we wanted to shift as few variables as possible, so that the test produces meaningful results. We didn't want to take the chance of skewing the test with a bad challenge description. Assuming they will happen, future Masters' challenges will almost certainly be topical. These topics may be unique to the Masters' challenges, repeated in future challenges or taken from past challenges.
I also take issue with the idea that those eligible for the Masters' challenge no longer need or desire their box to get any bigger. On the contrary, most of these photographers work hard to expand their horizons. It's just that they feel DPChallenge is no longer conducive to their doing so. This is not speculation; I know this, because I have been told this in so many words. Masters' challenges give these photographers new tools to grow, without taking anything away from anyone else.
Originally posted by Britannica:
I certainly don't blame them for that, as I for one, and I have seen several others as well, was looking forward to the September Free Study as well. I have made concentrated efforts to improve in various areas and have learned much I did not know for the last free study. I was quite interested in seeing just how well I have learned them, and how well I could place relative to how I have placed before. |
...and you'll still have those skills and will be able to showcase them in the next Members' Free Study. While I understand you were looking forward to this, we've been saying since June that we intended to vary the schedule. I promise you will have a Free Study in which to showcase your talent.
Originally posted by Britannica:
Then this Masters' Free Study enters the scene. I know, it was not intended to be a replacement for the forgotten September Free Study, but as langdon said, "we honestly just forgot to schedule it and didn't feel that it would be a good idea to run two free study challenges simultaneously."; it is the reason that oversite was not corrected. So, intentional or not, this thing has robbed the majority of the site of our chance to showcase what we have learned in a regular, predictable and comparable manner to what we were capable of previously. |
Also entering into the decision was the desire to vary the Free Study schedule. I'm not sure why Langdon didn't mention that.
Originally posted by Britannica:
As for the purpose of the Masters' Challenge; langdon said, "the idea was to just get a challenge full of awesome shots and make it really fun to vote on." So, apparently, only those whose shots are worth seeing should be showcasing their talent. You think I am taking this the wrong way, how so? These same masters were already entering the quarterly free studies, and by doing so were competing against the others on that elite list. So being excluded from that abitrary list is a slap in the face that may as well be saying that we (those not on said list) are not capable of having improved enough to take an 'awesome shot'. |
I actually think Langdon's statement here was incorrect. The primary ideas here is to test a new concept that we feel will benefit everyone on the site (not just those eligible to enter).
Originally posted by Britannica:
Want to see how these masters fair agaisnt the other masters? That has been done in every free study so far. Want to compare statistics on how the masters vote on other masters photos? You have several existing free studies to draw your data from.
Want to argue that the extra images upset that data? If they can't pick out the other masters' photos from the collection, it only shows how arbitrary the exclusions were. |
I want to see what the masters will enter when they are competing only against other masters in a small challenge.
Originally posted by Britannica:
Want me to wait and see how this 'experiment' works out before passing judgement? Tough. |
If your mind is closed to the results, then there is no point in debating you further; but I will respond to your points for the benefit of those willing to consider an alternative point of view.
Originally posted by Britannica:
An experiment is an excercise with an unknown outcome, the outcome of this so-called experiment was known when it was created, as I quoted langdon above (but it bears repeating), "the idea was to just get a challenge full of awesome shots and make it really fun to vote on." That it will be a roaring success in that regard is beyond question -- but so have all the previous free studies. If you don't want to waste your time viewing our images that are not quite up to your standards, then don't go past the first few pages. But be careful -- there just might just be a few people on those pages without ribbons -- but this takes care of that little minor annoyance. :( |
I want to see what multiple ribbon winners will enter if they are allowed to step outside the "formula" for winning a 400-entry challenge. I want to see how the voters as a whole react to that, and I want to see how the masters (as defined here) react to that, both through their scoring and their comments. I want to vote on a challenge where I can average one minute per vote instead of 15 seconds and see what these entries offer me that will help me grow as a voter and as a photographer.
Originally posted by Britannica:
It has been stated before that this is no different than the championship competitions of various other activities -- but it isn't. Those competitions are begun with everyone starting at the same time and ranking and only those who are currently participating and making their skill known progress further toward the final showdown. And after the competition is over, everyone starts over at the same level again. This, with it's 'once your in, your always in' mentality, with nothing capable of reducing your status, is just elitism. |
Take a look at the Major League Baseball All-Star game. Rookies are competing against veteran players for the ability to enter. As to the once-in, always-in issue. I don't see how this is a problem. Photographers do not tend to decline in ability with age as sports players do.
Originally posted by Britannica:
If you desire to give those who have no need of being expanded by the weekly challenges something interesting to do on this site, tailor some portion of it toward what they are desiring. |
Again, I take issue with the idea that anyone lacks a need for expansion and learning.
Originally posted by Britannica:
An in-depth study of the various aspects of photography would accomplish this. Pick a topic and any who want to become a part of that study will have to sign up for it. Run it for a month, with the same topic. On the first week each individual submits 10 photos that utilize the topic of the study, While these are being discussed in a forum atmosphere (private for those that signed up), the participants use the comments made to create 5 more images on that will be discussed in the next week while they create 3 more. Finally on the last week, they have the 'challenge' (for lack of a better word to call it) and create one image to show what they have learned from that month long study of the subject. The subject could be technical, such as lighting or macro; or it could be more aesthetic in nature such as taking images that convey emotion or that tell a story. The participation for the entire month is demanded, and is taken into consideration before signing up; while the participation in a forum-like environment provides a greatly needed level of back and forth interaction between photographer and viewer. This (slightly expanded) suggestion was made a while back by someone (sorry, but I do not remember who), but apparently has been forgotten. |
It has not been forgotten, but there are a couple reasons this has not been implemented. First, the amount of coding for this is significant, specifically for the signups, the closed forums, and the restriction of the challenges to just those who signed up. Second, the closed-door nature of the discussions means the community as a whole is denied the benefit of what was learned in those discussions. I would much prefer to see a format where the discussions were visible to all, even if those who had not signed up could not post. I'm totally in favor of these types of workshops... I just have not yet seen an implentation suggestion that I like enough to push for it. I'm certainly willing to discuss this suggestion further and if you would like to do so, I invite you to start a new thread for that purpose.
Originally posted by Britannica:
Another simple suggestion, is to have the image viewing page be made a forum thread under a special forum for portfolio comments. When an image is commented upon, those comments are in a forum were others can see and interact with them. This also further enhances the back and forth interaction between photographer and viewer that is so sorely needed here. I made this suggestion previously, but after the initial burst of 'great idea' agreements, it too has been forgotten. |
I do not remember seeing this idea. As it is, the comments section already uses the forum code, and each image's comments has a FORUM_THREAD_ID. That said, there is a serious drawback to fully integrating photographic comments with the forums. We have already seen multiple cases where a flamewar erupts in a photograph's comments. What happens if one of these threads degrades to the point where we have to lock it?
Originally posted by Britannica:
Also, the idea of labeling those who are demonstrating ability is not an unacceptable one, as long as it is done on a constantly updated basis. As an example of such a system, everyone starts off as an apprentice. If, in the past six months (as an example) they have met some requirements (such as, top 10% finish in a challenge and active in voting and commenting) they obtain the status of journeyman, and then if they meet further requirements (won a ribbon plus more active voting and commenting) they can be called a master. Do what you like with those who are currently earning the titles, as long as it is not at the expense of the rest of the site, and the site will become more interesting. I personally would like to see the status under the name in the forum; apprentice, journeyman or master and an indication of how many weeks they have managed to maintain that title. The values are arbitrary, just to give an example. |
This is an interesting idea, and I am wililng to discuss alternative criteria. I personally feel strongly that the criteria should be 3 ribbons lifetime... but the fact that I feel strongly about that does not mean that I'm necessarily right. In any case, the criteria for this test challenge is 2 ribbons lifetime, and for the test, so it will remain.
Originally posted by Britannica:
The main point is that if you want to improve this site, make changes that will increase the participation of all of the members; not changes that make exclusions and limit participation. |
This does not limit participation. We're not removing anything. We've added a challenge (and a test challenge at that) which gives 125 people an extra challenge they can enter, and all members an extra challenge on which they can vote and comment.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 12:07:27 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I think it would also add immensely to this challenge that it be required of all "masters" who have submitted an entry that they be required to give some kind of in depth written critique along with their votes (their actual scores) on all pictures they vote on. Then there would be A LOT to learn from this challenge for all of the DPC community. This could be invaluable for all to learn from, imo. |
I would certainly encourage them to do so; however, past experience with implementing similar ideas as a hard-coded requirement indicates that forcing this through software produces poor results.
EDITED TO ADD: I certainly hope they do so, as whether and to what extent these entries are helpful as a learning tool will probably be a key factor in whether these challenges should continue.
-Terry
Message edited by author 2004-09-05 12:27:14.
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09/05/2004 12:10:16 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Addition: BTW, I was really looking forward to a "free challenge" in September, one open to all. |
Again, we decided in June we were going to vary the schedule. A Free Study is coming... it's just not 01-30 September.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 12:15:23 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
The same quality images, from the same photographers would have been in a non-elitist Free Study -- nothing has been gained, only lost. |
The Free Studies open to all members will still be happening. Nothing has been lost.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 12:19:13 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I think it would also add immensely to this challenge that it be required of all "masters" who have submitted an entry that they be required to give some kind of in depth written critique along with their votes (their actual scores) on all pictures they vote on. Then there would be A LOT to learn from this challenge for all of the DPC community. This could be invaluable for all to learn from, imo. |
A very good idea. Take it a little further. Probably too late for the current Masters' but if there are more in the future the entrants should be required to give a full disclosure about there shot. Of course the usual f stop, ISO, shutter speed but also the lens used if a DSLR, location, the editing steps, the editing program(s) used, and some about what they were thinking when they shot, how they came up with the idea, and how did they tailor the vision toward doing well in the challenge. If we are having this challenge for the rest of us to learn from the "Masters" let's get them to share as much of their knowledge as possible. A SC member should check each upload to make sure it had everything before it went into voting stage. Sorry for the extra work SC but it won't be that many you would have to inspect. Nothing is quite as frustrating as finding an interesting shot when voting and wanting to know about it but then when you come back to it after voting to find that the Photographer's Comments section is as bare as Old Mother Hubbard's cupboard. |
On its face, I like this idea. I'd have to think about what the best way is to enforce it, since tnine SC members are eligible to enter under the current criteria. It wouldn't be fair for them to have an advance look at the competition.
Suggestions, as always, are welcome.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 01:26:36 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by digistoune:
Mavrik, you have hit the nail on the head and I'll bet you didn't even realize it. |
Oh I do realize.
Part of the argument against this is how "elitist" it sounds and how some people "think they're better than others."
THEY. ARE.
*laugh*
I'm not one of the "masters" - I have a 4th and a DQ'd 2nd to my name. David Sidwell started about a month before me on DPC and I'd kill to have 1/100th of his talent let alone 1/10th of his ribbons. lol
I think to pejoratively say others "think they are better" than us assumes they aren't...
Oh well, back to my quiet corner.
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09/05/2004 01:48:41 PM · #117 |
This is a really important thread for all to read. When I first saw the masters challenge I wasnt really certain it was a good idea, and I had mixed feelings at best. But after reading the posts, especially from ClubJungle I am now a convert. Even though I an ineligible to enter I think it will be a great learning experience for all who take the time to look, comment and vote on the pictures submitted.
Now just need to get me one more ribbon... :-)
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09/05/2004 01:50:10 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
A few of those ribbon winners won't even answer a question unless you post it here in the forum cause they are beneath privately helping others. (Not to offend anyone but there are a few who won't reply to a question asked in a pm) |
Please remember that some people put in emails they dont check often or that due to weird settings the PM's are sent to bulk folders or deleted as spam immediately. Some people just dont receive the PM's they are sent all by no fault of their own. Just because you do not get a response does not mean they are actively ignoring you. Some may be, but there are some who just never get the PM's. So just please think about that before immediately assuming they are pond scum. |
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09/05/2004 01:55:33 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
A few of those ribbon winners won't even answer a question unless you post it here in the forum cause they are beneath privately helping others. (Not to offend anyone but there are a few who won't reply to a question asked in a pm) |
And to answer this one more time, one more way - perhaps they are sharing their knowledge with otherS not just with the one person who asks, so if you get asked to put your question on the forum, perhaps the PM'd party wishes to share the answer with the WHOLE of dpc?
M
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09/05/2004 01:56:29 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
A few of those ribbon winners won't even answer a question unless you post it here in the forum cause they are beneath privately helping others. (Not to offend anyone but there are a few who won't reply to a question asked in a pm) |
I am not sure if you are talking about me, but just to let you know I have never recieved a PM from you.
Good reply, Moodville!
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09/05/2004 02:03:09 PM · #121 |
I like the idea of the challenge. But I do think that it would be more exciting if there was a theme instead of it being a free study.
Also, a suggestion: What if the usual members challenge had 2 categories? One for the 'Masters' and one for all the members. All members can vote in both categories. If you have the required number of ribbons you could enter the Masters category. It only gives those members a chance to try it out with other ribbon winners and some personal satisfaction. No special rewards. And for the ribbons, it's the same. Highest score wins - no matter what category you are in.
Good, bad or ugly suggestion? |
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09/05/2004 02:07:23 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by xion:
I like the idea of the challenge. But I do think that it would be more exciting if there was a theme instead of it being a free study. |
As mentioned previously, any future Masters' challenges will almost certainly be themed.The sole purpose of making this first one a free study was to avoid the possibility of a bad challenge description ruining the experiment.
-Terry
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09/05/2004 02:13:24 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by Sonifo:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
A few of those ribbon winners won't even answer a question unless you post it here in the forum cause they are beneath privately helping others. (Not to offend anyone but there are a few who won't reply to a question asked in a pm) |
I am not sure if you are talking about me, but just to let you know I have never recieved a PM from you.
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Oh no I wasn't referring to you. I'm sorry if you thought I was.
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09/05/2004 02:18:41 PM · #124 |
I have not being reading all the different posts on different threads about this Challenge. I did a quick browse through to see what's going on.
Good to know that this type of challenges in the future will be themed.
I like the experiment and I do believe that such experiments would make the site more exciting and unpredictable.
Good Job.
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09/05/2004 02:20:07 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by xion:
I like the idea of the challenge. But I do think that it would be more exciting if there was a theme instead of it being a free study.
Also, a suggestion: What if the usual members challenge had 2 categories? One for the 'Masters' and one for all the members. All members can vote in both categories. If you have the required number of ribbons you could enter the Masters category. It only gives those members a chance to try it out with other ribbon winners and some personal satisfaction. No special rewards. And for the ribbons, it's the same. Highest score wins - no matter what category you are in.
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The voting would become biased. And if you didnt know if it was a master or member photo when voting then it'll be just like it is now except with some arbitrary titles assigned to some and not to others.
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