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08/28/2004 04:48:04 PM · #1 |
| I have read several threads where members or registered users are not voting because they believe the hope challenge is a flop. People putting just any picture in and using the title to somehow make their picture meet the challenge. I had a hard time voting on this challenge because of that same reason but managed to vote 100%. PLEASE for the sake of the people that tried to enter a photograph that was on topic, try to find the time to look at each picture (not the thumbnails so you can get a look at the details) and vote. Now I believe my photo to be on topic but it is suffering with a low vote. Maybe this is why or maybe my photograph is just not good enough to earn a better average. Whatever the reason I would like for the voters to look through and vote. Maybe it will help the results. I would hate to see an OFF-Topic photo win a challenge. |
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08/28/2004 04:49:21 PM · #2 |
I'm one of those who just can't face ploughing through that lot.
However, if you PM me the ID of your image I'd be happy to provide a comment. (Not a vote though).
EDIT: I meant the original poster! I should have made it clearer, my bad! I'll certainly comment the requests I've received but am rescinding the offer from this point onwards!
Message edited by author 2004-08-28 18:47:33.
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08/28/2004 04:51:25 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
I have read several threads where members or registered users are not voting because they believe the hope challenge is a flop. People putting just any picture in and using the title to somehow make their picture meet the challenge. I had a hard time voting on this challenge because of that same reason but managed to vote 100%. PLEASE for the sake of the people that tried to enter a photograph that was on topic, try to find the time to look at each picture (not the thumbnails so you can get a look at the details) and vote. Now I believe my photo to be on topic but it is suffering with a low vote. Maybe this is why or maybe my photograph is just not good enough to earn a better average. Whatever the reason I would like for the voters to look through and vote. Maybe it will help the results. I would hate to see an OFF-Topic photo win a challenge. |
I voted 100% on the first night of voting. Sure, there were some stinkers.. but there are a few beautiful photographs in there. I'm glad I voted. I just think a few people expect every photograph to be a 100% literal translation of the challenge topic as to how *they* interpret it.. and you know what? If they don't bother to vote.. no big loss.
To those that are voting.. even if it's not 100%.. good on you! To those that aren't voting from frustration.. that's your call, I respect that. To those that are just trying to stir up the stuff that hits the fan.. well, we'll always have those among us.
Next!
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08/28/2004 04:59:37 PM · #4 |
The whole process is becoming stale. I haven't been a member long, but the results for challenges seem jaded. If they are not arty, farty...Macro, highly edited or belong to some recogniseable member, then they are dismissed as substandard.
I thought there was going to be leeway and consideration for those with lesser equipment or knowledge, but that doesn't seem the case anymore.
If you are not 'Great' or 'Kewl' then you don't count.
Arse lickers this way! Photographers, forget it, you don't get a look in! |
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08/28/2004 05:09:41 PM · #5 |
Votes: 214
Views: 287
Avg Vote: 4.1262
Comments: 10
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 08/28/04 05:07 pm
I'd say plenty of people are voting. |
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08/28/2004 05:10:18 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
The whole process is becoming stale. I haven't been a member long, but the results for challenges seem jaded. If they are not arty, farty...Macro, highly edited or belong to some recogniseable member, then they are dismissed as substandard.
I thought there was going to be leeway and consideration for those with lesser equipment or knowledge, but that doesn't seem the case anymore.
If you are not 'Great' or 'Kewl' then you don't count.
Arse lickers this way! Photographers, forget it, you don't get a look in! |
How do you know who is a "recogniseable member" or shots done with "lesser equipment" when you are voting?
This sounds like sour grapes please think before you post. |
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08/28/2004 05:10:59 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
The whole process is becoming stale. I haven't been a member long, but the results for challenges seem jaded. If they are not arty, farty...Macro, highly edited or belong to some recogniseable member, then they are dismissed as substandard.
I thought there was going to be leeway and consideration for those with lesser equipment or knowledge, but that doesn't seem the case anymore.
If you are not 'Great' or 'Kewl' then you don't count. |
I'm sorry you feel so jaded. I've only been a member for a few days, but in the many, many user profiles I've gone through, there are a *good* number of users with mid-range cameras and equipment winning ribbons now and then. As for the "kewl" people.. well, sometimes it hurts to admit it, but some people are just damn *GOOD* at taking photographs. Also, although a photograph may not score high, sometimes I see that it gets a lot of praise and positive critique from people on this site regardless. (not always of course, you can't expect always. Too many photographers, too many photographs).
I've been around here a lot longer than I've been a member, but I've always been amazed by how this site is run, by most of the people on it, and by the atmosphere it generates. So.. while you are giving a vote of discontent, I counter with a vote of 100% kudos to even it out.
We'll never *all* of us be happy.
Message edited by author 2004-08-28 17:11:47.
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08/28/2004 05:13:05 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by Wolfie:
The whole process is becoming stale. I haven't been a member long, but the results for challenges seem jaded. If they are not arty, farty...Macro, highly edited or belong to some recogniseable member, then they are dismissed as substandard.
I thought there was going to be leeway and consideration for those with lesser equipment or knowledge, but that doesn't seem the case anymore.
If you are not 'Great' or 'Kewl' then you don't count.
Arse lickers this way! Photographers, forget it, you don't get a look in! |
How do you know who is a "recogniseable member" or shots done with "lesser equipment" when you are voting?
This sounds like sour grapes please think before you post. |
You get to know who does what for challenges, or perhaps you don't!
No sour grapes here...I score low and will do so until that day I hit the spot. |
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08/28/2004 05:17:36 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by Wolfie:
The whole process is becoming stale. I haven't been a member long, but the results for challenges seem jaded. If they are not arty, farty...Macro, highly edited or belong to some recogniseable member, then they are dismissed as substandard.
I thought there was going to be leeway and consideration for those with lesser equipment or knowledge, but that doesn't seem the case anymore.
If you are not 'Great' or 'Kewl' then you don't count.
Arse lickers this way! Photographers, forget it, you don't get a look in! |
How do you know who is a "recogniseable member" or shots done with "lesser equipment" when you are voting?
This sounds like sour grapes please think before you post. |
You can know about the equipment by looking at what type of camera the person has although for images that size, you don't necesserally need an amazing camera to get good results.
As for knowing the knowledge, well, you can always look at my camera settings to know that I don't completly know what I'm doing... LOL
Overall, I don't care if people have better equipment than me...
I'm actually am happy that there are great photographers on this site because it helps me see what is possible and what's not and makes me strive to achieve better results... By results, I don't mean better ratings but a better understanding of photography in general.
If some are not happy about there scores or the way things are done, there's plenty of other sites that offer the same type of contests so you can always go there.
Only thing I wish was a little different was the amount of comments compared to the amount of votes.
Although, I can understand that there isn't always a whole lot to say on all the shots so it's kind of normal.
I personally think that this site is great for people to learn and share knowledge and don't see any reason to complain about anything. |
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08/28/2004 05:18:23 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by Wolfie:
The whole process is becoming stale. I haven't been a member long, but the results for challenges seem jaded. If they are not arty, farty...Macro, highly edited or belong to some recogniseable member, then they are dismissed as substandard.
I thought there was going to be leeway and consideration for those with lesser equipment or knowledge, but that doesn't seem the case anymore.
If you are not 'Great' or 'Kewl' then you don't count. |
I'm sorry you feel so jaded. I've only been a member for a few days, but in the many, many user profiles I've gone through, there are a *good* number of users with mid-range cameras and equipment winning ribbons now and then. As for the "kewl" people.. well, sometimes it hurts to admit it, but some people are just damn *GOOD* at taking photographs. Also, although a photograph may not score high, sometimes I see that it gets a lot of praise and positive critique from people on this site regardless. (not always of course, you can't expect always. Too many photographers, too many photographs).
I've been around here a lot longer than I've been a member, but I've always been amazed by how this site is run, by most of the people on it, and by the atmosphere it generates. So.. while you are giving a vote of discontent, I counter with a vote of 100% kudos to even it out.
We'll never *all* of us be happy. |
This is exactly what I'm trying to say. I am not discontent with the site, but the way some people decide how to vote. There are people who have tried to meet a challenge, they might not be the best with technology, but they try. Just give them a chance, at least they have tried.
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08/28/2004 05:54:47 PM · #11 |
All I'm saying is vote for who tried the challenge, not for those who didn't.
Standards may seem lower, but they tried! |
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08/28/2004 05:57:51 PM · #12 |
I will repeat what I said in one of the several other threads regarding this subject. Anyone familiar with my culture would understand my photograph and understand that it truly represents "hope" in my culture in a nanosecond, but not everyone is familiar with my culture. Failing that understanding, because not everyone is truly culturally literate, perhaps those who do vote, should judge the picture on its photographic merits and at least try to attain some sort of understanding of its relevance to "hope", rather than to make assumptions.
I've received 226 votes on my entry - which is about average. I plan to vote on each picture, and I'll vote whatever I think about the picture regardless of these many many attempts to bias my voting.
My advice to others is, vote with your heart. Learn from the experience. And don't let others unduly influence your votes. Above all else, if photography is your passion, don't let the naysayers chase you away. If photography is your passion, you are not a "bottomfeeder" no matter what your average score, because you will learn and you will get better. And if you need a kind word now and then, write me - I'll provide it because YOU deserve it
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08/28/2004 06:11:16 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by ancientimages:
My advice to others is, vote with your heart. Learn from the experience. And don't let others unduly influence your votes. Above all else, if photography is your passion, don't let the naysayers chase you away. If photography is your passion, you are not a "bottomfeeder" no matter what your average score, because you will learn and you will get better. And if you need a kind word now and then, write me - I'll provide it because YOU deserve it |
VERY WELL SAID ancientimages
When I started this thread all I was asking was for the people that said they were not voting because of so many off topic photographs to PLEASE vote. There are some good ON-Topic photos in this challenge. Give the ON-Topic pictures a chance.
Now as far as what this thread has evolved into: 1- Give me the vote YOU think I deserve. 2- I don't want a sympathy vote just because I may not have a PRO camera, new to site, or an amatuer.
3- Judge my photographs just like you would anyone else.
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08/28/2004 06:13:29 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
When I started this thread all I was asking was for the people that said they were not voting because of so many off topic photographs to PLEASE vote. There are some good ON-Topic photos in this challenge. Give the ON-Topic pictures a chance. |
I'm sorry, I'm not altruistic enough...
I got your PM and did leave a comment though. Hope it's of some use or at least an insight into the views of an individual viewer.
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08/28/2004 06:23:47 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by SDW65:
When I started this thread all I was asking was for the people that said they were not voting because of so many off topic photographs to PLEASE vote. There are some good ON-Topic photos in this challenge. Give the ON-Topic pictures a chance. |
I'm sorry, I'm not altruistic enough...
I got your PM and did leave a comment though. Hope it's of some use or at least an insight into the views of an individual viewer. |
Yes I got your comment and found it very helpful. Thank you for taking time out of your day to comment on my Photograph |
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08/28/2004 06:25:28 PM · #16 |
I enjoy commenting, so no problem at all.
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08/28/2004 06:28:37 PM · #17 |
| I don't have one from kavey yet :-( *sniff sniff* |
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08/28/2004 06:36:38 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by kyebosh:
I don't have one from kavey yet :-( *sniff sniff* |
Go on then, PM me your image ID. I'm not voting so knowing whose is whose is no biggie. :o)
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08/28/2004 07:11:05 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
I have read several threads where members or registered users are not voting because they believe the hope challenge is a flop. People putting just any picture in and using the title to somehow make their picture meet the challenge. I had a hard time voting on this challenge because of that same reason but managed to vote 100%. PLEASE for the sake of the people that tried to enter a photograph that was on topic, try to find the time to look at each picture (not the thumbnails so you can get a look at the details) and vote. Now I believe my photo to be on topic but it is suffering with a low vote. Maybe this is why or maybe my photograph is just not good enough to earn a better average. Whatever the reason I would like for the voters to look through and vote. Maybe it will help the results. I would hate to see an OFF-Topic photo win a challenge. |
I can't complain about the number of votes;
Votes: 227
Views: 324
Avg Vote: ?.????
Comments: 18
Favorites: 1
I think it will not be any less votes in this challenge than other challenges in average.
I admit that I find more of the submitted photos in this challenge shoehorned in it than in most of the other challenges, and therefor it isn't as interesting voting in it. But inbetween there are some photos that people have been really thinking about "hope" when taking the pictures and I find not less photos in this challenge good, very good or excellent than in most of the other challenges, there really is some "eye candy" in this challenge.
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08/28/2004 07:39:48 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Go on then, PM me your image ID. I'm not voting so knowing whose is whose is no biggie. :o) |
YGPM |
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08/28/2004 09:12:43 PM · #21 |
I actually voted on every image and commented on 10% of them whihc is pretty good for me. I could not see my way through the neon challenge and only voted on 20% of the images. For my hope photo: (of which there is only one that is remotely similar in the competition)
Votes: 236
Views: 357
Avg Vote: 5.6144
Comments: 5
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 08/28/04 09:00pm
So it does not seem like there are any more or less votes than usual. Best of luck to all and remember the point really is to learn and improve. Of course, winning a ribbon is nice, but improvement is much more important.
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08/28/2004 09:23:28 PM · #22 |
I have voted 100% and received decent no. of votes too
Votes: 251
Views: 335 |
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08/28/2004 09:48:14 PM · #23 |
Votes: 239
Views: 298
Avg Vote: 5.7992 (down a bit)
Comments: 11
yeah plenty of votes :-) |
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08/28/2004 11:02:14 PM · #24 |
Votes: 219
Views: 308
Avg Vote: 4.9406
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Not even 1 comment? |
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08/28/2004 11:40:58 PM · #25 |
Just to toss in my 2 cents...
Hope will be my first challenge. A bit of an impulsive step, since I haven't even been here a month, but what the heck.
I didn't vote immediately, because I was afraid I would be accused of downvoting people to boost my own pic, and I wanted to see how badly I was doing before I considered voting. As it is, I voted 100% because I am sure now that my picture was utter crap, based onthe score, and no amount of downvoting from me would change it, so nobody can blame my entry into the challenge for a bad score from me.
When I decided to vote, I made one rule for myself: everybody starts at 5. Why? Because Hope is something very, very, VERY personal, and different things can symbolize Hope to different people. I even gave the benefit of the doubt to those few images that were taken with the apparent intent to portray the absence of Hope. Like a silhouette of emotion, the absence of Hope is just as good as the presence of it.
I received a comment from someone who doesn't see my Hope, and one from someone who sees it all too well. Some things are partially defined by the title, when the artist's emotions are concerned. My title just reiterated the occurrence I captured on film, but apparently that wasn't something that represented Hope to that particular voter.
It's all about the eye of the beholder. My utter crap just happened to be the best I could do that week. But it represented hope to me. |
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