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06/11/2004 02:34:37 PM · #1
Can anybody tell me if there are any differences between the 300D and Rebel other than the badge and intended market please?

The reason...
I recently bought a 2nd hand sigma 70-300 4-5.6 APO Macro Zoom on Ebay. The seller owns a Digital Rebel and whilst he had never tried the lens on the camera I 'presumed' it would work.

Well, it did work on my EOS 300D but only at 300mm, (the dreaded 99 error). I rang the seller up, telling him I had been advised the lens needs 're-chipping' (2 cam shops both would charge £20) and he agreed to take it back and refund my money (he had never tried it on his Rebel)

He rang me up tonight saying the lens works perfectly on his Digital Rebel and he was not prepared to refund my money, but would re-advertise it and would only refund up to my bid (if it made more he would keep it, less and thats all I'd get). We are both sleeping on this but I told him to post it back to me and I would resell it and contact Ebay to retract/change my feedback.

The lens is 8 years old and was used on his 35m 300. now, back to my question, is it possible that either...

My EOS 300D is faulty?
There is a difference twix the EOS 300D & the digital Rebel?
He is lying? (sounds an honest guy)

Message edited by author 2004-06-11 14:48:02.
06/11/2004 02:38:10 PM · #2
more than likely since the lens is 8 years old, that is the problem.

Older lenses sometimes do not work very well with new DSLR's.

you may be stuck using manual focus with this lens, unless you want to pay to have it re-chipped

James

Message edited by author 2004-06-11 14:40:17.
06/11/2004 02:39:52 PM · #3
Originally posted by jab119:

more than likely since the lens is 8 years old, that is the problem.

Older lenses sometimes do not work very well with new DSLR's.

you may be stuck using manual focus with this lens.

James


Thanks James, but why does it work on his Digital Rebel purchased 1 week after mine???
06/11/2004 02:44:41 PM · #4
The Sigma that works on the Digital Rebel is the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO Zoom Macro Super II

It has a red stripe around the front of the lens. Be sure that you get the II version.
06/11/2004 02:49:57 PM · #5
I would say that the guy is lying. If the lens is 8 years old and you are having issues with it, he's probably blowing smoke. The lens larryslights listed is the one you want.
06/11/2004 03:00:26 PM · #6
Originally posted by wackybill:

I would say that the guy is lying. If the lens is 8 years old and you are having issues with it, he's probably blowing smoke. The lens larryslights listed is the one you want.


I have since bought the 75-300 IS USM and am very pleased with it but puts my wishlist 70-200 f4l. If he is 'blowing smoke' is there any way of telling?
06/11/2004 03:07:39 PM · #7
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

Originally posted by wackybill:

I would say that the guy is lying. If the lens is 8 years old and you are having issues with it, he's probably blowing smoke. The lens larryslights listed is the one you want.


I have since bought the 75-300 IS USM and am very pleased with it but puts my wishlist 70-200 f4l. If he is 'blowing smoke' is there any way of telling?


Probably not unless you go to his place and see it in action. I bet he never even put it on his camera after getting it back from you because he already knew it didn't work. Sure he had it on his camera and knew it didn't work. I don't buy it.
06/11/2004 03:25:54 PM · #8
Originally posted by wackybill:



Probably not unless you go to his place and see it in action. I bet he never even put it on his camera after getting it back from you because he already knew it didn't work. Sure he had it on his camera and knew it didn't work. I don't buy it.


Problem is I did buy it!
I think I'll wait to hear what he has to say tomorrow, if he doesn't give me my pennies back I'll get him to post it back to me at his cost and then contact Ebay to change my feedback, I just need to be sure that the lens will not work on either the EOS 300D or the Digital Rebel, guess I need to find someone near me with a drebel to test it. The re-chipping makes sense so maybe I'll nip into a couple of cam shops (again) when I get it back. Maybe I'm more gullable than I thought?
06/11/2004 04:08:37 PM · #9
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:

There is a difference twix the EOS 300D & the digital Rebel?


To answer your question on the difference between the Rebel and the 300d:
The difference is: the nametag. Nothing else.
06/11/2004 04:23:38 PM · #10
i bought this lens second hand too, it works for 10 shots then error 99 and i would get this every now and again so he may have fired a shot with it and had it working.

it does need rechipping and for 20 quid if it cheap enough i would do
06/11/2004 04:39:36 PM · #11
Very good point, in (the back of my memory) I seem to remember I did take a shot at less than 300m (but I'm getting old), he did say he had tested it in all modes and at all lengths of the zoom, maybe he just looked through the lens rather than took 50 pics?
06/12/2004 09:03:57 AM · #12
Well, its been solved now :) the guy just rang to say he put a cheque in the post today. I did ask him how many pics he took going through all the settings on the cam and at differing fl's, his answer was 6 or 8 so I suggested he nips out and shoots 20 odd pics to see what happens. Anyway, at least I'm getting my pennies back.
08/16/2004 06:21:30 PM · #13
Error 99: I have had 3 canon rebels over the last 10 years and bought the 300D because a major part of their advertising is the lenses I currently owned should work with the camera.
Two weeks ago my son was playing in the world series and the error 99 started with my 2 year old lense (canon 76-300). Hadn't had any problems with it in the previous 6 months.
A friend who was standing nearby commented that he had the same problem and canon told him to have the lense repaired. He did and the error 99 kept coming back. He contacted Canon agian and they told him that lenses older than 2 years may not work with the camera. That really makes me mad because that was a huge purchase point. Not only did I miss a million great photos when my son won the 8 year old world series but now I see that they have adjusted their description of lenses that will work with the 300D.
Does anyone know enough about this problem to help. I can shoot a few photos and then the error 99 pops up. I can turn it off and it will work for a couple more shots than it pops up again.
02/02/2005 02:06:12 PM · #14
Older Sigma lenses are not compatible with the Digital Rebel. Code 99 means that the lens is not compatible. Send it in to Sigma and they will rechip it for free (I think). The new lenses such as the Sigma 70-300mm APO Super Macro II, is said to work with the DR. I guess I'll find out b/c I just ordered one.
02/02/2005 02:14:35 PM · #15
If I sold someone a lens under no false pretenses (he told you he never tried it on his digital) and they wanted their money back becuase of their own presumptions/mistake, I'd tell them to go ahead and lose my number. There doesn't appear to be any reason for him to refund your money: the lens DOES work, just not on your camera - totally not his fault.

Or so it seems....you guys may have had some other agreement.

Message edited by author 2005-02-02 15:53:45.
02/02/2005 02:39:17 PM · #16
I think older ones are not fully compatible with the DR, so you may be able to use it somewhat, but it may have problems with certain functions is my guess. Check the dpreview.com's forum and it is full of same stories. Anyway, I'd send it in to have it rechipped by Sigma.
02/07/2005 11:28:57 PM · #17
Just got my Sigma 70-300 APO Macro Super II and tested around the office. So far no error 99. Everything seems to work fine.
02/07/2005 11:31:24 PM · #18
go with the sigma 70-200 f 2.8 Its a sweet lens
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