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08/05/2004 02:07:22 PM · #101

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by RonB:
Journalist Orson Scott Card says here "The only differences between Fox News and all the other news media are (1) they admit that on some issues they take sides, and (2) they allow the conservative side to be heard--without contempt." Fox is not one-sided - it just seems that way because they present the conservative viewpoint, unlike most of the rest of the media.

I believe that is far, far from the truth unfortunately.

I watched the movie //www.outfoxed.org last night. The information in that movie and clips of people like Bill Oreilly throwing guests off his show "The Oreilly Factor" that disagree with him. Telling guests to shut up, intimidation, etc.

Here is a clip of an interview between Jeremy Glick (father died in 911) and Bill Oreilly Jeremy Glick on Bill O'reilly
Unfortunately I donâ��t have the second part of this (which can be seen on Outfoxed). The second part is on the next night of his show where he claims.. actually, ill add this in later, to give people time to watch the 1st part.

Nice Try - but O'Reilly is not a NEWSMAN, and is his show is not purported to be a NEWS show. Neither is Hannity and Colmes. Just because their shows are on the FoxNews Cable Channel, and often discuss items that are in the news, doesn't mean that they are NEWS shows anymore than Anderson Cooper's show on CNN is purported to be a NEWS show.

08/05/2004 02:10:34 PM · #102

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by Olyuzi:
And now this tid-bit of news:
Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama was found to have leaked classified intercepted messages to Fox and CNN in 2002 when he was chairman of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee. One of these messages was intercepted and obtained on 9/10/2001 by the National Security Agency and was not interpreted till the 12th. It read: "The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour." The justice dept has decided not to take any action.

Washington Post article here.

The plot thickens and I smell a coverup.

Me too. But here's the way it works - if the Justice Department takes any action on this breach, then, to be fair, they must take action on the Sandy Berger breach. Now, Would you REALLY want that?

YES

Hey - something we agree on. Good for us.

08/05/2004 02:27:40 PM · #103

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by RonB:
Journalist Orson Scott Card says here "The only differences between Fox News and all the other news media are (1) they admit that on some issues they take sides, and (2) they allow the conservative side to be heard--without contempt." Fox is not one-sided - it just seems that way because they present the conservative viewpoint, unlike most of the rest of the media.

I believe that is far, far from the truth unfortunately.

I watched the movie //www.outfoxed.org last night. The information in that movie and clips of people like Bill Oreilly throwing guests off his show "The Oreilly Factor" that disagree with him. Telling guests to shut up, intimidation, etc.

Here is a clip of an interview between Jeremy Glick (father died in 911) and Bill Oreilly Jeremy Glick on Bill O'reilly
Unfortunately I donâ��t have the second part of this (which can be seen on Outfoxed). The second part is on the next night of his show where he claims.. actually, ill add this in later, to give people time to watch the 1st part.

Nice Try - but O'Reilly is not a NEWSMAN, and is his show is not purported to be a NEWS show. Neither is Hannity and Colmes. Just because their shows are on the FoxNews Cable Channel, and often discuss items that are in the news, doesn't mean that they are NEWS shows anymore than Anderson Cooper's show on CNN is purported to be a NEWS show.

Ron this is simply not true. Ill brb w/ proof.

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08/05/2004 03:30:38 PM · #104

First, from worldIQ.com:

Fox news analysis:
Fox News

Fox news anchor Brit Hume:
Brit Hume

Fox news "The O'Reilly Factor" host Bill O'Reilly:
Bill O'Reilly

Now, ive been at work this whole time (sneaking non work related research). I was unable to put anymore info together and im headed home but do a google search on "fox news" and you will see much..

/me is homeward bound!

btw, anyone watch the Jeremy Glick video?

Message edited by author 2004-08-05 16:34:03.

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08/05/2004 06:40:47 PM · #105

Originally posted by thelsel:

[quote=MadMordegon]
Dude...

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Was it that group of religious fundamentalists who visited my state when I was governor?"

"A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in the United States for talks with an international energy company that wants to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to Pakistan. A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban were expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in Sugarland, Texas." "Taleban in Texas for talks on Gas Pipeline," BBC News, December 4, 1997 (Sugarland is 22 miles outside Houston.)

This is a typical Michael Moore tactic but it's nothing but utter bullshit! Moore basically proves that Bush was governor of Texas and the Taleban may have indeed visited his state while he was in office. But what did that prove? It in no way backs up what was implied by Moore's statement. It was worded in a way that implies Bush should have known and/or approved all people entering his state on private business with private companies. That statement is as pointless as "Was it that group of religious fundamentalists who visited my country when Clinton was President?"

***
Regarding questions of the Taliban's trip to Houston in the early summer of 2001 to meet with officials from Unocal for negotiations of the trans-Afghan oil pipeline, it's highly unlikely the Bush administration did not know about it and even maintained diplomatic ties with the Taliban up till the WTC attacks. Hamid Karzai, an advisor to the Unocal Corporation and CIA operative, was chosen as president of Afghanistan after we overthrew the Taliban. Zalmay Khalizad, an Afghani-American who worked with Unocal and Karzai on the pipeline project, was made a high ranking US gov't official by the Bush administration. He was made National Security Assistant, as well as, Special Envoy to Afghanistan in the Bush administration. He also had ties with the Rand Corporation that was acting as a liason between Unocal and the Taliban.

The Enron Corporation, a large contributor to the Bush campaign of 2000, conducted the feasibility study for the trans-Afghan (trans central Asia) pipeline. Former vice chairman of Enron, Thomas White, was made Secretary of the Army. Donald Rumsfeld, a large Enron stock holder, was made secretary of defense.

The CIA, under Bush, maintained ties with Pakistani's intelligence (the ISI) which was known to be supporting Islamic terrorism and the Taliban and Bin Laden. The head of the ISI at the time, General Mahmud Ahmed, ordered a large sum of money be sent to the account of Mohammed Atta before the WTC attacks and even met with US deputy Secretary of State, Richard Armitage, as well as, the CIA the morning of the attacks. With all these people related to Unocal in the Bush administration it's highly doubtful that the Bush administration didn't know about the Taliban coming to his home state.

These ties and links need to be investigated further, and that's what Michael Moore advocates. One of the purposes of his film is to get the American public to start hearing about the underlying stories that are not being reported in the mainstream press, thus, the title of the movie, which refers to the 1960's movie Farenheit 451, about the control of information by the burning of books in a future Orwellian society. We need to start reading between the lines.

I got this information from:
THIS ARTICLE.

Message edited by author 2004-08-05 18:42:42.

08/05/2004 06:46:57 PM · #106

The Oh Really? Factor

08/05/2004 09:42:45 PM · #107

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

From your first link we get this ( I've taken the liberty to bold the pertinent parts:

"Fox News presents a wide variety of programming. The following is the usual weekday lineup:

6 a.m.: Morning programming begins with "Fox and Friends," hosted by Steve Doocy, E.D. Hill, and Brian Kilmeade. This is similar to other cable news network programming in the mornings: CNN's American Morning with Paula Zahn and MSNBC's Imus.
9 a.m.: Late morning and early afternoon programming starts with Fox News Live, a show featuring news, guest analysis, and interviews. Like other American cable stations, there is news mixed with feature-like stories, as well as commentary and short "debates" between people on opposite sides of issues, usually between associates of candidates and officials, think tank members, and journalists. The right-wing John Gibson is often seen as well.
6 p.m.: Primetime starts with the personality-driven the news/talk shows Special Report With Brit Hume, hosted by political reporter Brit Hume from Washington, D.C.
7 p.m.: Shepard Smith broadcasts The Fox Report With Shepard Smith, offering various reports on the day's events.
8 p.m.: The network's top-rated show The O'Reilly Factor, is played. The taped broadcast features commentary from the right-leaning Bill O'Reilly.
9 p.m.: The right-wing Sean Hannity debates political issues of the day with guests and analysts during Hannity and Colmes. Moderate liberal Alan Colmes co-hosts.
10 p.m: Greta Van Susteren broadcasts On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. This has a heavy emphasis on human interest features stories, especially crime.
"
Not exactly a description of a nothing-but-the-news cable network. And both O'Reilly's and Humes' shows are described as not just-the-news type shows - O'Reilly's is described as "features commentary" and Humes' show is described as a "personality driven news/talk show" ( notice the "talk" part of that description and ask yourself how many news/talk shows only report the NEWS, but don't discuss it ( which requires commentary )). I do hope that you are aware that commentary usually supports the speakers position on an issue, and therefore may appear biased - especially to those who do not agree with the stated position. I, myself, would almost always expect to detect bias in a commentary segment.

Ron

Ron

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08/05/2004 09:45:31 PM · #108

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

The Oh Really? Factor

Glad to see someone take on O'Reilly ( I myself don't really like his style ). However, as I've said, O'Reilly's show is not just-the-news. If you want to convince me about bias in the NEWS on the FoxNews Network, then pick out something showing bias in a NEWS report.

Ron

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08/05/2004 09:45:54 PM · #109

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

First, from worldIQ.com:

Fox news analysis:
Fox News

FOX News
The FOX News Channel is a American cable and satellite news channel launched in 1996. It is available to 80 million subscribers in the U.S. and to further viewers internationally, and broadcasts primarily out of its New York City studios.

Programming
Fox News presents a wide variety of programming. The following is the usual weekday lineup:

6 a.m.: Morning programming begins with "Fox and Friends," hosted by Steve Doocy, E.D. Hill, and Brian Kilmeade. This is similar to other cable news network programming in the mornings: CNN's American Morning with Paula Zahn and MSNBC's Imus.
9 a.m.: Late morning and early afternoon programming starts with Fox News Live, a show featuring news, guest analysis, and interviews. Like other American cable stations, there is news mixed with feature-like stories, as well as commentary and short "debates" between people on opposite sides of issues, usually between associates of candidates and officials, think tank members, and journalists. The right-wing John Gibson is often seen as well.
6 p.m.: Primetime starts with the personality-driven the news/talk shows Special Report With Brit Hume, hosted by political reporter Brit Hume from Washington, D.C..
7 p.m.: Shepard Smith broadcasts The Fox Report With Shepard Smith, offering various reports on the day's events.
8 p.m.: The network's top-rated show The O'Reilly Factor, is played. The taped broadcast features commentary from the right-leaning Bill O'Reilly.
9 p.m.: The right-wing Sean Hannity debates political issues of the day with guests and analysts during Hannity and Colmes. Moderate liberal Alan Colmes co-hosts.
10 p.m: Greta Van Susteren broadcasts On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. This has a heavy emphasis on human interest features stories, especially crime.

"The network's top-rated show The O'Reilly Factor, is played. The taped broadcast features commentary from the right-leaning Bill O'Reilly."

Notice the word "commentary" ? It is not "News"

"The right-wing Sean Hannity debates political issues of the day with guests and analysts during Hannity and Colmes. Moderate liberal Alan Colmes co-hosts. "

Notice the word "debates"? Also not "News".

Message edited by author 2004-08-05 21:46:45.

08/06/2004 06:38:20 PM · #110

After browsing //www.foxnews.com for the last day.5 I have to say most of the articles seem for the most part, down the middle. At least, I have not seen the blatant side taking in their articles that I have from the Fox TV news channel.

BUT...

Thatâ��s just the thing. MUCH more people get their news from TV than internet. And Fox news is the most watched news channel on TV. Now, granted, they may have shows that are more like "talk shows" or "discussion shows" but, stupid people donâ��t do research themselves (attack me if you must but most people are stupid and/or lazy).

So, I guess it depends on how you look at it. But one thing is for sure, most of the Fox "shows" hosts are BLATENT right wingers and are not afraid to use harsh words against the other side and guests who donâ��t agree with them.