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07/31/2004 02:09:04 AM · #51 |
"An Illinois newspaper has accused filmmaker Michael Moore of "falsely representing" its front page in his blockbuster "Fahrenheit 9/11.""
That article is just lame.
Watch the movie, decide for yourself. |
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07/31/2004 02:12:45 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"An Illinois newspaper has accused filmmaker Michael Moore of "falsely representing" its front page in his blockbuster "Fahrenheit 9/11.""
That article is just lame.
Watch the movie, decide for yourself. |
what makes this a lame article?
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07/31/2004 03:14:13 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by thelsel:
Ok, for all the people in the world that are easily distracted by shinny objects, I'll explain this once, so pay attention. He declared the end of "major combat" not the end of "all combat". And since the Abraham Lincoln was setting off San Diego and heading into port it's "mission" was accomplished. Find a point that makes sense. |
The anger is just palpable... but that's not for me to diagnose, much less to alleviate.
As for the picture of Mr. George W Bush on the landing strip of the aircraft carrier with the "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him, it speaks for it self. Moreover, whatever this administration would now have us believe about Iraq, banners on carriers, etc., one this is clear: The Bush administration has utterly failed to win the peace in Iraq and, by doing so, has distracted us from fighting an effective war against the true terrorists.
It's not just those that are "distracted by shinny objects" which think that the Bush administration made a terrible miscalculation in going to Iraq, steely and sober minds think so too. Read Imperial Hubris... I guarantee it'll be more entertaining than Marine Sniper...
PS. thelsel, I might disagree with you over Iraq, the Bush adminstration and Mr. Moore's movie... but I cannot disagree with your pictures. You have a fine eye... your portfolio includes some great shots.
Message edited by author 2004-07-31 03:20:06.
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07/31/2004 03:56:46 AM · #54 |
| The Bush administration's war in Iraq has not only distracted us from our fight with terrorists but has probably created many more terrorists for generations to come. |
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07/31/2004 04:48:13 AM · #55 |
Regarding questions of the Taliban's trip to Houston in the early summer of 2001 to meet with officials from Unocal for negotiations of the trans-Afghan oil pipeline, it's highly unlikely the Bush administration did not know about it and even maintained diplomatic ties with the Taliban up till the WTC attacks. Hamid Karzai, an advisor to the Unocal Corporation and CIA operative, was chosen as president of Afghanistan after we overthrew the Taliban. Zalmay Khalizad, an Afghani-American who worked with Unocal and Karzai on the pipeline project, was made a high ranking US gov't official by the Bush administration. He was made National Security Assistant, as well as, Special Envoy to Afghanistan for the US gov't. He also had ties with the Rand Corporation that was acting as a liason between Unocal and the Taliban.
The Enron Corporation, a large contributor to the Bush campaign of 2000, conducted the feasibility study for the trans-Afghan (trans central Asia) pipeline. Former vice chairman of Enron, Thomas White, was made Secretary of the Army. Donald Rumsfeld, a large Enron stock holder, was made secretary of defense.
The CIA, under Bush, maintained ties with Pakistani's intelligence (the ISI) which was known to be supporting Islamic terrorism and the Taliban and Bin Laden. The head of the ISI at the time, General Mahmud Ahmed, ordered a large sum of money be sent to the account of Mohammed Atta before the WTC attacks and even met with US deputy Secretary of State, Richard Armitage, as well as, the CIA the morning of the attacks.
These ties and links need to be investigated further, and that's what Michael Moore advocates. One of the purposes of his film is to get the American public to start hearing about the underlying stories that are not being reported in the mainstream press, thus, the title of the movie, which refers to the 1960's movie Farenheit 451, about the control of information by the burning of books in a future Orwellian society. We need to start reading between the lines.
I got this information from
this article. |
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07/31/2004 09:21:28 AM · #56 |
Who is hurting women? !
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07/31/2004 10:02:40 AM · #57 |
I highly recommend that everyone read this book:
Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It
No matter which way you lean politically, this book is an eye-opener about how Americans are hurting their own country as much as, if not more than, Islamic extremists.
The threat of bombs and bullets and every other form of terrorism comes mostly from Islamic extremists. But a powerful threat also stems from homegrown anti-Americanism from the left of the political and cultural spectrum. From "comedians" working for leading Democrat candidates who call the American President "... a piece of [expletive deleted]" to the candidates themselves who try to whip up feelings of victimization and anger in ethnic minorities, to universities that preach that America is the main villain on Earth and that 9/11 was richly deserved.
If you're an American, and care about the country you live in, this book will make you think...
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07/31/2004 10:06:12 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I highly recommend that everyone read this book:
Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It
No matter which way you lean politically, this book is an eye-opener about how Americans are hurting their own country as much as, if not more than, Islamic extremists.
The threat of bombs and bullets and every other form of terrorism comes mostly from Islamic extremists. But a powerful threat also stems from homegrown anti-Americanism from the left of the political and cultural spectrum. From "comedians" working for leading Democrat candidates who call the American President "... a piece of [expletive deleted]" to the candidates themselves who try to whip up feelings of victimization and anger in ethnic minorities, to universities that preach that America is the main villain on Earth and that 9/11 was richly deserved.
If you're an American, and care about the country you live in, this book will make you think... |
I agree, any extremism is dangerous,Islamic ,Christian,right or left wing !
To replace 3 1/2 years of right wing extremism with left wing extremism will do no good :-) |
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07/31/2004 10:09:03 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I highly recommend that everyone read this book:
Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It
No matter which way you lean politically, this book is an eye-opener about how Americans are hurting their own country as much as, if not more than, Islamic extremists.
The threat of bombs and bullets and every other form of terrorism comes mostly from Islamic extremists. But a powerful threat also stems from homegrown anti-Americanism from the left of the political and cultural spectrum. From "comedians" working for leading Democrat candidates who call the American President "... a piece of [expletive deleted]" to the candidates themselves who try to whip up feelings of victimization and anger in ethnic minorities, to universities that preach that America is the main villain on Earth and that 9/11 was richly deserved.
If you're an American, and care about the country you live in, this book will make you think... |
Because, of course, the right-wing extremists in this country are not hurting it at all...
-Terry
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07/31/2004 11:11:53 AM · #60 |
| Curious how the left wing gets tagged with "rage" but it's the conservative right wing that is doing all the killing. How on earth are left wing leaning people anti-American and how are they ruining the country? |
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07/31/2004 11:24:55 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
How on earth are left wing leaning people anti-American and how are they ruining the country? |
You should read the book and find out. It's a very quick, eye-opening read... |
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07/31/2004 11:44:22 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
How on earth are left wing leaning people anti-American and how are they ruining the country? |
You should read the book and find out. It's a very quick, eye-opening read... |
I will see if it's at my local library today, but can't you give one example of what he wrote as to how the left is anti-American or ruining the country? |
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07/31/2004 12:02:53 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I will see if it's at my local library today, but can't you give one example of what he wrote as to how the left is anti-American or ruining the country? |
Even better, you can read Chapter 9 by clicking here (PDF). |
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07/31/2004 12:17:12 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I will see if it's at my local library today, but can't you give one example of what he wrote as to how the left is anti-American or ruining the country? |
Even better, you can read Chapter 9 by clicking here (PDF). |
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Thanks Eddy. My library doesn't have the book, but it's been ordered. I'll give Chapter 9 a read from the link you posted. |
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07/31/2004 01:25:08 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I highly recommend that everyone read this book:
Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It
No matter which way you lean politically, this book is an eye-opener about how Americans are hurting their own country as much as, if not more than, Islamic extremists.
The threat of bombs and bullets and every other form of terrorism comes mostly from Islamic extremists. But a powerful threat also stems from homegrown anti-Americanism from the left of the political and cultural spectrum. From "comedians" working for leading Democrat candidates who call the American President "... a piece of [expletive deleted]" to the candidates themselves who try to whip up feelings of victimization and anger in ethnic minorities, to universities that preach that America is the main villain on Earth and that 9/11 was richly deserved.
If you're an American, and care about the country you live in, this book will make you think... |
If your going to read that, be sure to read this too: The Prize (The Pulitzer Prize Winner)
so that you understand the motives of people in power. If you realize that this entire century was built on and is completely dependant on oil, what we are doing right now in Iraq become more clear.
Old fasion thinking is flawed. The world is not black and white. |
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07/31/2004 01:31:59 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"An Illinois newspaper has accused filmmaker Michael Moore of "falsely representing" its front page in his blockbuster "Fahrenheit 9/11.""
That article is just lame.
Watch the movie, decide for yourself. |
what makes this a lame article? |
That article has no credability. It referes to "An Illinois newspaper" as its source. |
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07/31/2004 01:37:52 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"An Illinois newspaper has accused filmmaker Michael Moore of "falsely representing" its front page in his blockbuster "Fahrenheit 9/11.""
That article is just lame.
Watch the movie, decide for yourself. |
what makes this a lame article? |
That article has no credability. It referes to "An Illinois newspaper" as its source. |
if you had bothered to read past the first paragraph, you would have seen that the name of the newspaper is the Bloomington Pantagraph.
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07/31/2004 01:45:45 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by sher9204:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"An Illinois newspaper has accused filmmaker Michael Moore of "falsely representing" its front page in his blockbuster "Fahrenheit 9/11.""
That article is just lame.
Watch the movie, decide for yourself. |
what makes this a lame article? |
That article has no credability. It referes to "An Illinois newspaper" as its source. |
if you had bothered to read past the first paragraph, you would have seen that the name of the newspaper is the Bloomington Pantagraph. |
Your correct, my mistake.
However, after looking at //www.pantagraph.com/I still dont think they are a reliable source in issues outside Illinois.
You should stop listening to other people and check out //www.michaelmoore.com. I think his intentions and the way he is can be seen within the information and writings on his site. Give it a half hour of browsing, you might be suprized.. |
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07/31/2004 03:48:36 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
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Your correct, my mistake.
However, after looking at //www.pantagraph.com/I still dont think they are a reliable source in issues outside Illinois.
You should stop listening to other people and check out //www.michaelmoore.com. I think his intentions and the way he is can be seen within the information and writings on his site. Give it a half hour of browsing, you might be suprized..
Since the story concerned their own newspaper, I would think that they would be the most reliable source for the information. The fact that it is a "small town" newspaper doesn't mean that their reliability should be questioned.
Actually, I've been to Mr. Moore's website many times and I've thoroughly read all the articles. I believe in studying both sides of an issue before forming an opinion.
Furthermore, I am an intelligent woman and I have my own viewpoints and opinions. I keep myself informed and follow my own instincts. I resent the implication that, simply because I have a different opinion than you, I am being lead around by the nose or just "listening to other people".
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07/31/2004 04:59:07 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
I highly recommend that everyone read this book:
Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It
No matter which way you lean politically, this book is an eye-opener about how Americans are hurting their own country as much as, if not more than, Islamic extremists.
The threat of bombs and bullets and every other form of terrorism comes mostly from Islamic extremists. But a powerful threat also stems from homegrown anti-Americanism from the left of the political and cultural spectrum. From "comedians" working for leading Democrat candidates who call the American President "... a piece of [expletive deleted]" to the candidates themselves who try to whip up feelings of victimization and anger in ethnic minorities, to universities that preach that America is the main villain on Earth and that 9/11 was richly deserved.
If you're an American, and care about the country you live in, this book will make you think... |
Incredible how this tactic keeps on being relied on by those that support the Bush administration, that is: question the opposition's patriotism by associating criticism of the administration with support for terrorism. The title of the book says it all, "Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What to Do About It.
Well, first, I love this country... I love its ideals... I have worn the nation's uniform... my brother has worn the nation's uniform... on the porch of my house I proudly fly the American flag, and I constantly remind friends, neighbors and co-workers to read two of the American pillars: The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. And, yes, I proudly call myself a Democrat (a Liberal if you prefer) -- if called on, I would again swear to serve and protect The Constitution. Therefore, I utterly reject and resent that I -- or anyone that dare do their American given right to constructively critique it -- be associated with terrorism or with the undermining of the country I love.
Secondly, I question the motives of books that would divide us between Red and Blue states... between so-called patriots and anti-American haters... to paraphrase John Kerry, there are no Red or Blue states, there's only Red, White and Blue. And, while Ben Stein (the co-author of this book, among others, and of Ferris Bueller's Day Off fame), I'm sure, is a fine professor at Pepperdine University, where Kenneth Star (whom investigated Clinton at a cost of $72 million just to conclude that Clinton had received a B.J.) now works, what authority and credibility does Mr. Stein have to associate me with terrorists.
Message edited by author 2004-07-31 17:04:04.
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07/31/2004 05:10:29 PM · #71 |
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07/31/2004 10:22:44 PM · #72 |
I read chapter 9 of Ben Stein's Can America Survive?: The Rage of the Left, the Truth, and What To Do About It and this bit of propaganda is unbelieveably dangerous. Stein tries to link "Hollywood liberals" with Marxism by way of power/money envy. This harkens back to the 50's days of McCarthyism. If you ask me, this is an attempt on the part of the author, and whom ever he may be working for to stifle dissent from the left. It's scary because imo, he is trying to incite "pinko/commie witch hunts. What's next, a House of Un-American Activities Committee and Anti-Communist hearings before congress?
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EddyG, you recommended this book and a couple of us read the Chapter 9 that you recommended we do and have made comments. Why haven't you responded back?
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07/31/2004 11:26:29 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
.......pinko/commie witch hunts. What's next, a House of Un-American Activities Committee and Anti-Communist hearings before congress? |
Might not be a bad idea. Lets start with who sold nuclear secrets to China. |
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08/01/2004 02:23:00 AM · #74 |
I broke down last night and saw it with my wife (see has seen it 4 times) LOL, and I figured what the hell.
The movie was exactly as I pictured it would be... mostly twisted, biased, partisan, propoganda by a liberal fanatic Michael Moore.
There are some funny parts that point out Bush's oddities, but any fool can see that most of it is edited to make Bush look bad and make Republicans in general look bad. The movie is squarely aimed at people who can't think for themselves and people who in general will believe most of what they read in the Enquirer magazine, etc.
I will admit there are some "conflicts of interest" shown in the movie between Bush and Saudi Arabia which bothers me a little.
Basically the movie is a waste of time like I knew it would be. :) The quality of the movie clips is bad, the editing of the scenes is clearly biased, the sound is OK, the fun-factor is 10%, the BS factor is 90%, the truth is 5-10%, and I didn't learn anything at all from it that I didn't already know. One of the most worthless movies I've ever seen.
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08/01/2004 03:12:31 AM · #75 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
That article has no credability. It referes to "An Illinois newspaper" as its source. |
You think this isn’t creditable but you believe all the BS sources on Michael Moore’s site? Use an open mind and review Moore’s sources again. You’ll find it’s full of fluff. Like I pointed out in my previous posts, the “facts” are either frivolous, undisputed, unsupported or chronologically incorrect. Why would Moore need to prove Bush slept on French linens or air traffic was grounded for days after 911? None of these items are smoking guns and seem to be nothing more than filler for an already weak database. The rest of the sources read like the six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon.
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