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 07/26/2004 08:24:36 PM · #26
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
That option already exists. Not sure if we would retain it though.


I can think of one good reason not to remove those arrows:
Sometimes my computer refuses to display an image properly and I have to skip it and try again later. If I was forced to vote on it before voting on any others, without knowing what the picture really looked like, I could give a totally inaccurate score and possibly never get a chance to change it.
 07/26/2004 08:25:25 PM · #27
I thing it is a good idea, I am in favor of that.
 07/26/2004 08:35:52 PM · #28
i think it is an excellent idea, anything to make voting more fair is great!
 07/26/2004 08:41:23 PM · #29
IMO the suggestion as set forth in the first post is the first "flavor" of this idea that I've seen that appears to have no real downside. I really like this.
I would miss taking an initial "sneak peak" at all the thumbs before voting, but I feel it's a small price to pay for the benefit of the voting process.

Regarding dialup, I just had a thought... what if, after the current image finishes loading, the site starts loading the next image "in the background", so when the user votes, part or all of that next image is already loaded.
Assuming, on a 53k connection, it takes 24 seconds to load a 150k image, and the voter spends on average 15 seconds judging each shot, loading the next image in the background would save over 50% of his/her time!

07/26/2004 08:43:23 PM · #30
Great idea... I know it can be done as I know a site that does it with their forums.

-Terry
 07/26/2004 09:32:16 PM · #31
I like it the way it is it isnt a lot of effort to click
 07/26/2004 09:33:52 PM · #32
Originally posted by Crafty Sue:
I like it the way it is it isnt a lot of effort to click


Which suggestion are you referring to?

-Terry
 07/26/2004 09:37:59 PM · #33
Perhaps a compromise option would be to have the thumbnails page only available once a person has voted on the minimum 20% of entries to "vest" their votes. That way, everyone will vote randomly on at least some of the pictures, but those who can't vote on all pictures would still get access to the thumbnails page, to add comments and such.

Making the thumbs inaccessible until after voting on all photos seems too much of an inconvenience, but I like preventing people from "cherry-picking" the photos they want to vote on from the thumbs page, at least for the minimum number of votes.
 07/26/2004 09:41:56 PM · #34
I like GeneralE's idea. (Thumbnails after 20% votes.)
I never look at the 'nails til after voting, anyway.
BUT, since I just left dial-up for cable...
... voting is a pleasure, now.
 07/26/2004 09:44:36 PM · #35
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Could this setup be a user preference much like how many thumbnails per page?


This already exists under your preferences.
 07/26/2004 09:45:40 PM · #36
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Perhaps a compromise option would be to have the thumbnails page only available once a person has voted on the minimum 20% of entries to "vest" their votes. That way, everyone will vote randomly on at least some of the pictures, but those who can't vote on all pictures would still get access to the thumbnails page, to add comments and such.

Making the thumbs inaccessible until after voting on all photos seems too much of an inconvenience, but I like preventing people from "cherry-picking" the photos they want to vote on from the thumbs page, at least for the minimum number of votes.


IMO if all thumbs are revealed after voting on 20% is completed, it opens the possibility of voters "rush voting" on 20%, then going back to the "cherry-picking" routine.
If thumbs are revealed only for those voted upon, the user will still have the option to comment on those they have voted on. If they want to comment on others, wouldn't they take a second to vote as well?
Another option, to accommodate "comment only" is to have an "I am done voting" button, which would reveal all thumbs and enable commenting, but disable further voting, including modification of previous votes. I'm not necessarily in favor of this idea, nor is it my own, it has been put forth before. Just throwing it out there as an option.
I still prefer the original suggestion as posted by CJ.
 07/26/2004 09:46:00 PM · #37
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Perhaps a compromise option would be to have the thumbnails page only available once a person has voted on the minimum 20% of entries to "vest" their votes. That way, everyone will vote randomly on at least some of the pictures, but those who can't vote on all pictures would still get access to the thumbnails page, to add comments and such.

Making the thumbs inaccessible until after voting on all photos seems too much of an inconvenience, but I like preventing people from "cherry-picking" the photos they want to vote on from the thumbs page, at least for the minimum number of votes.


My suggestion is not that all thumbnails be hidden until voting is complete. As you vote on each entry, that thumbnail becomes visible. If you've voted on 1/3 of the entries, that 1/3 is visible as thumbnails.

-Terry
 07/26/2004 09:47:30 PM · #38
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Perhaps a compromise option would be to have the thumbnails page only available once a person has voted on the minimum 20% of entries to "vest" their votes. That way, everyone will vote randomly on at least some of the pictures, but those who can't vote on all pictures would still get access to the thumbnails page, to add comments and such.

Making the thumbs inaccessible until after voting on all photos seems too much of an inconvenience, but I like preventing people from "cherry-picking" the photos they want to vote on from the thumbs page, at least for the minimum number of votes.


IMO if all thumbs are revealed after voting on 20% is completed, it opens the possibility of voters "rush voting" on 20%, then going back to the "cherry-picking" routine.


Agreed. I think this suggestion would be too prone to abuse.

-Terry
 07/26/2004 09:49:43 PM · #39
I agree that making the thumbnails inaccessible until after voting on ALL images is a great idea. Really, it doesn't take that long to vote, even when there is almost 300 images. If you haven't voted on an image, the thumbnail shouldn't be available to you at all. After voting on any number of images, THOSE thumbnails should be available as usual.

It is my opinion that you should be required to vote on all images, not just 20%...but that's probably an entirely different issue.

Sonya
 07/26/2004 09:52:55 PM · #40
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Perhaps a compromise option would be to have the thumbnails page only available once a person has voted on the minimum 20% of entries to "vest" their votes. That way, everyone will vote randomly on at least some of the pictures, but those who can't vote on all pictures would still get access to the thumbnails page, to add comments and such.

Making the thumbs inaccessible until after voting on all photos seems too much of an inconvenience, but I like preventing people from "cherry-picking" the photos they want to vote on from the thumbs page, at least for the minimum number of votes.


My suggestion is not that all thumbnails be hidden until voting is complete. As you vote on each entry, that thumbnail becomes visible. If you've voted on 1/3 of the entries, that 1/3 is visible as thumbnails.

-Terry

That would be fine way to implement it; although people could still just rush through their initial votes, I don't think that many people are really into that ... and it does really randomize the voting more.
 07/26/2004 09:53:47 PM · #41
Originally posted by soniecat:
It is my opinion that you should be required to vote on all images, not just 20%...but that's probably an entirely different issue.

Sonya


That's definitely a different issue. It was tried once, and without boring you with details it was a fiasco. I'd be happy to discuss further, but in a different thread.

-Terry

Message edited by author 2004-07-27 06:54:05.
 07/26/2004 09:53:57 PM · #42
I was actually thinking of this myself, just couldnt word it. I fully agree with this, the sooner the better!
 07/26/2004 09:54:48 PM · #43
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Crafty Sue:
I like it the way it is it isnt a lot of effort to click


Which suggestion are you referring to?
Having all thumbs show and vote as we do now

-Terry
07/26/2004 09:57:15 PM · #44
FWIW, here are my 2 cents...
1. I believe that votes from a voter who votes on fewer that 20% of the entries are discarded. IMO, this should be more like 85%.
2. Users should not be allowed to vote from the thumbnail screen. Browse thumbnails all you want, but if you want to vote, you should be forced to take enough time to actually load and view the image.
3. Randomizing of image sequencing should be different for every voter. Is this already done or does everyone see the same random sequence? Since common themes sometimes occur, I believe it hurts the votes for the second, third, etc. pic of a similar flavor.
 07/26/2004 09:59:57 PM · #45
Originally posted by JiaBob:
FWIW, here are my 2 cents...
1. I believe that votes from a voter who votes on fewer that 20% of the entries are discarded. IMO, this should be more like 85%.


This was tried (with a 95% threshold) and for various reasons did not work well at all. In the end the problems it caused were not worth the benefit, but this is really a topic for another thread.

Originally posted by JiaBob:
3. Randomizing of image sequencing should be different for every voter. Is this already done or does everyone see the same random sequence? Since common themes sometimes occur, I believe it hurts the votes for the second, third, etc. pic of a similar flavor.


This is already how it works (different sequence for each voter) for exactly the reasons you stated.

-Terry
 07/26/2004 10:00:06 PM · #46
Originally posted by JiaBob:
FWIW, here are my 2 cents...
1. I believe that votes from a voter who votes on fewer that 20% of the entries are discarded. IMO, this should be more like 85%.
2. Users should not be allowed to vote from the thumbnail screen. Browse thumbnails all you want, but if you want to vote, you should be forced to take enough time to actually load and view the image.
3. Randomizing of image sequencing should be different for every voter. Is this already done or does everyone see the same random sequence? Since common themes sometimes occur, I believe it hurts the votes for the second, third, etc. pic of a similar flavor.


1.) See CJ's comment on how requiring voting on all images was received when it was tried.
2.) you cannot vote directly from a thumb, initially, though you can change your vote from the thumb. So you have to load at least PART of the image, once.
3.) The sequence is different for every voter.

Your post brings an interesting thought to mind, however... what if the voting bars did not show up until after the image loaded completely?

Message edited by author 2004-07-26 22:01:40.
 07/26/2004 10:01:32 PM · #47
Originally posted by Crafty Sue:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Crafty Sue:
I like it the way it is it isnt a lot of effort to click


Which suggestion are you referring to?

Having all thumbs show and vote as we do now



This is not about the effort involved to click, but rather about ensuring a random distribusion for the images each voter rates.

-Terry
 07/26/2004 10:12:44 PM · #48
CJ and Kirbic, thank you for clarifying the process/history/issue for me. I will go and take some photos now. :)
 07/26/2004 10:13:31 PM · #49
Originally posted by JiaBob:
CJ and Kirbic, thank you for clarifying the process/history/issue for me. I will go and take some photos now. :)


Be sure to come back and share the good ones!

-Terry
 07/26/2004 10:20:42 PM · #50
I don't like the idea unless there's still a way to view the challenge entries as a whole. I try to vote when I can, and I only vote when I know I'll be able to vote 20%+, but I always look at the new challenge entries as soon as I can. It's part of what makes the site fun for me. If the no-thumbnail suggestion does take hold, that'll mean having a separate page for viewing the challenge thumbnails at a glance. If that's what it takes, that's what it'll take... but again, I don't want to go to nothing.

I also think it's a bit ridiculous to think someone is going to right click to get image IDs and keep a separate window open for voting -- but if you're really that paranoid about it, we'll encrypt the IDs. Again, though, I don't think that's an issue.
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