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07/23/2004 11:04:56 PM · #1 |
Just wanted you to all have seen:
//www.thephotoforum.com
Really nice peoples, maybe some different ideas that all us dpc'ers haven't shared 1000 times. Maybe not! lol
M
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07/23/2004 11:10:38 PM · #2 |
I use to frequent that forum before I got addicted to DPC... real fine people there.
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07/23/2004 11:15:24 PM · #3 |
doh! I always post my challenge entries to get a rough critique before actually entering.
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07/23/2004 11:15:58 PM · #4 |
Oooops. My bad! lol Sorry about that. I have only been 'back' for a day - didn't see who from DPC was already there!
M
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07/23/2004 11:30:44 PM · #5 |
No biggie... I don't think it helps my photos any either way. :)
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07/24/2004 12:01:55 AM · #6 |
| I wish people would have more understanding of, and respect for, the importance of anonymity in the challenge voting. Posting your challenge entries elsewhere as a trial balloon before the voting begins is a pretty blatant way of undermining what is one of the basic concepts of the competition. The entry is supposed to be your work, not your work plus the benefit advice and/or critique of others. |
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07/24/2004 12:08:36 AM · #7 |
This has been discussed many times. Users are not prohibited from posting their challenge entries elsewhere for comments or for any other reason, so long as they do not actively solicit votes with their posts.
We do not expect to be the primary purpose for everyone's photography, nor do we expect participants to refrain from using their work until a challenge is complete.
-Terry
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07/24/2004 01:39:13 AM · #8 |
You probably ask your significant other, children, friends, or family which photo they like best, or maybe what they think of a certain shot. Me? I don't, I post them on another website to "get the feel" of other photographers opinions. Most of the time I wind up submitting exactly what I post.
You can't sit there and tell me the challenge winners are "works in progress". They wouldn't be winners if they were. Some might be, but they're in the minority.
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07/24/2004 01:08:46 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
This has been discussed many times. Users are not prohibited from posting their challenge entries elsewhere for comments or for any other reason, so long as they do not actively solicit votes with their posts.
We do not expect to be the primary purpose for everyone's photography, nor do we expect participants to refrain from using their work until a challenge is complete. |
Just because something is "not prohibited" does not make it something that should be encouraged or condoned. I think most of us have, at one time or another, asked a relative or colleague what they thought about a potential entry, or to choose which they like best among several that we are considering for a challenge. I have a few times, but I don't "always" do so. However that is quite a bit different from posting the image publicly, and soliciting comments from other internet-savvy photographers.
Originally posted by jadin:
Most of the time I wind up submitting exactly what I post. |
That's good to hear as it indicates that you have some understanding of the argument, perhaps not too well stated, I was trying to make about it being your own work. But what about the other times, the times not included in your "most"?
There are many, many ways that entrants can gain an advantage in the challenges. Getting help from others and disrespecting anonymity are not the only ones that have been discussed in these forums. I'm suppose there are some others I haven't even dreamed of yet. It would be impossible to write rules that encompass all such methods. And we'd need an army of admins and SC to enforce them if we tried. dpc is highly reliant on the "Honor System". That puts a certain responsibility on all of us to recognize the methods that could be used to cheat, to refrain from using them, and to discourage others from doing so.
I don't understand the remark about "works in progress". An image is a finished product when it is uploaded into a challenge. It may still be a work in progress for other purposes, as in cleaning up an image entered into a Basic rules challenge with clone tool to make it better for sale in DPCPrints. |
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07/24/2004 01:23:16 PM · #10 |
The only exception is my Freedom II entry. Where I submitted a version I had redone (I wasn't happy with my original cloning job). Everyone liked the first version better, but I had submitted my new version already. So technically there is no exceptions.
I don't understand your argument about internet-savvy photographers versus friends and family. For me I'd rather ask friends and family their opinions, since they are less aware of "rules" and go purely on aesthetics, something I think gets more leverage over most people's votes.
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07/24/2004 02:25:51 PM · #11 |
If you post it on the internet you don't have knowledge of, nor control over, who will be viewing it, what they are thinking or what they will do. It may be viewed by someone else who is entering here.
The other photographers are more likely to alert you to an overlooked technical flaw that you could easily correct before uploading. The "aesthetics" viewers are like many dpc voters. Two different audiences but both could help you improve your image, or convince you not to submit it.
Your camera, your entries and your portfolio say you are beyond the beginner stage in digital photography. Perhaps the fact that in only one case did you decide to revise your entry would serve to make you think twice about the need to "get the feel". And in that case (your highest score so far) you seem to indicate it was because you didn't like your original version.
Like Club said, it's not prohibited, but to refrain from it is a more ethical manner of participating in the challenges. It's just better all the way around if people are discouraged from posting challenge entries elsewhere on the internet until voting here is complete.
I liked your Braveheart in Freedom II. If I were the only voter it would have finished higher. |
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