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07/23/2004 06:02:44 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Nelzie:
I redid the challenge, fixing my error and took the Bonus Challenge. Got 4 for 4, first try in under 3 minutes. I just rushed through it. |
Same here. 4 for 4 in 20 seconds- it wasn't that hard. I don't do any 3D work, but I've been retouching on Photoshop since v1, so that probably helps. CG photo-realism still isn't quite there.
Originally posted by StevePax:
...what are the odds of the photographer catching this? |
Pretty good if the photographer is a buxom woman. It's real. |
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07/23/2004 06:14:03 PM · #27 |
| Still wondering where the cyclist's left leg is.....any suggestions? |
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07/23/2004 06:15:34 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by jadin:
Staged. The composition has enough on the right to include the bike crash. No tourist would "snapshot" with the main subject so off center. Whoever took the shot aimed it just enough to include the accident.
Cropped from a larger image? Doubtful. |
No he is takeing picture of the tourist and includeing the building behind him. |
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07/23/2004 06:20:00 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by siggi:
Originally posted by jadin:
Staged. The composition has enough on the right to include the bike crash. No tourist would "snapshot" with the main subject so off center. Whoever took the shot aimed it just enough to include the accident.
Cropped from a larger image? Doubtful. |
No he is takeing picture of the tourist and includeing the building behind him. |
Nice try, the building ends half-way through the frame. There's construction on the right half of the building. So the photographer is including the giant billboard?
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07/23/2004 06:21:40 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by jadin:
Cropped from a larger image? Doubtful. |
The picture is 800x626, what kind of tourist camera shoots at a 1:2.8 ratio?
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07/23/2004 06:25:15 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by DianaB:
Still wondering where the cyclist's left leg is.....any suggestions? |
It is there, it follows the same path as the right leg, but you can see its shadow on the ground. Also, the left foot can barely be seen just below the top of the sock on the right leg.
Originally posted by markmyshots:
... The only thing odd is that he doesnt have his arm out to catch himself...anyone that is falling like that surely would instinctively have his or her hand out to break his or her fall. ... |
His arms are busy keeping his groin from colliding with the handlebar knuckle. :o
BTW: By the straightness of his body, I have to say this was not an intentional fall. If he had planned it, I would think there would be a substantial curve to his body.
David
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07/23/2004 06:25:17 PM · #32 |
This is exactly what I was thinking as I looked at it... it seems like an unlikely composition, even given the building in the bkd...
Originally posted by jadin:
Staged. The composition has enough on the right to include the bike crash. No tourist would "snapshot" with the main subject so off center. Whoever took the shot aimed it just enough to include the accident.
Cropped from a larger image? Doubtful. |
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07/23/2004 06:31:28 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Britannica:
Originally posted by DianaB:
Still wondering where the cyclist's left leg is.....any suggestions? |
It is there, it follows the same path as the right leg, but you can see its shadow on the ground. Also, the left foot can barely be seen just below the top of the sock on the right leg.
Originally posted by markmyshots:
... The only thing odd is that he doesnt have his arm out to catch himself...anyone that is falling like that surely would instinctively have his or her hand out to break his or her fall. ... |
The bit just below the top of the sock on the right leg looks like part of the curve of shadow from the wheel - to me.
His arms are busy keeping his groin from colliding with the handlebar knuckle. :o
BTW: By the straightness of his body, I have to say this was not an intentional fall. If he had planned it, I would think there would be a substantial curve to his body.
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07/23/2004 06:33:37 PM · #34 |
| sorry - new here. I think I posted my reply wrong. In answer to the bit about the cyclist's left foot... to me the bit just above the sock on his right leg looks more like part of the curved shadow from the wheel, than his other foot. |
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07/23/2004 06:36:10 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by alansfreed:
This is exactly what I was thinking as I looked at it... it seems like an unlikely composition, even given the building in the bkd... |
The composition is even more unlikely to be staged. Why bother with the oblivious guy on the left at all? If it were staged or faked, it's more likely that the "artist" would include some other element- the source of the cyclist's distraction or the reaction of an onlooker. It's just a lucky snapshot- nothing more.
Message edited by author 2004-07-23 18:40:48. |
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07/23/2004 06:36:55 PM · #36 |
Message edited by author 2004-07-23 18:40:30.
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07/23/2004 06:38:36 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Why bother with the oblivious guy on the left at all? |
Um... to make it LOOK unstaged! :) |
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07/23/2004 06:44:53 PM · #38 |
Just to throw another piece of data into the fray; is it just me or does this appear to have been taken with a wide angle lens, with the center of the curvature produced more or less centered on the oblivious one's head. The blue tint also indicates a digital with an incorrectly set (or inaccurate auto-) white balance. It would not have to be a very expensive consumer camera to take an image large enough to be able to crop this image out of it.
The crop looks more like they didn't want to get rid of the reason for the photo, but wanted to include the chance capture.
David
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07/23/2004 06:50:00 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by DianaB:
sorry - new here. I think I posted my reply wrong. In answer to the bit about the cyclist's left foot... to me the bit just above the sock on his right leg looks more like part of the curved shadow from the wheel, than his other foot. |
After looking at wwwavenger's blow-up I have to agree my original statement is false. The shadow seems to indicate his left leg is hiked up, as if to dismount or roll to the right.
David
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07/23/2004 06:53:17 PM · #40 |
| If you look very closely at the colouring between the cyclist's bottom and the part of the bicycle where the 'pump' is clipped there is what looks to be skin colouring akin to the cyclist's other leg - suggesting that it's sticking out rather than following the line of his right leg. What do you think? |
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07/23/2004 07:43:47 PM · #41 |
| Yes, it does look cropped. |
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07/23/2004 08:29:16 PM · #42 |
I suggest theodor83 try this in his studio covered in chocolate nude. That should solve this little mystery and entertain the women as well.
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07/23/2004 08:40:02 PM · #43 |
I say it is real an he was to busy staring at the good looking female photographer taking the photo to notice the pole and then BAM!
ROFLOL
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07/23/2004 08:40:30 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by DianaB:
Still wondering where the cyclist's left leg is.....any suggestions? |
This might get different answers from men than women.
I would guess his left leg is desperatly trying to get up over the handelbars before his testes make contact with the handelbar post. If you have had these objects meet before, you will do whatever you can to avoid this happening again. If they make contact you tend to lie on the ground thrownig up for a little while.
In the blow-up you can see what may be a shadow of a leg thrust up and out in an L shape. |
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07/23/2004 09:36:13 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
If they make contact you tend to lie on the ground thrownig up for a little while. |
Lie on the ground yes, not the throwing up though.
I was riding my ten speed down a hill that I hadn't rode in several years. I was going very fast and was concerned about the intersection at the bottom of the hill so I didn't notice they put in a speed bump.
I was only about 15 feet from it when I hit the brakes, hard. The speed that wasn't taken care of by the brakes was taken care of by the speed bump. With the extremely narrow tires it felt like I hit a wall. Of course when I hit it I'm still holding the brakes firm so the wheel stops and momentum carries the bike into the vertical position. I was up on my front tire balancing there for what seemed like an eternity. Then the wheel turns slightly, I lose my footing, and crash. My testicles slam straight into the gear shift breaking both levers and I crumple over.
Up rides my friend, his laughing only barely being drowned out by my groans of agony, and he falls off his bike because the whole thing was too funny. I try to get up, wanting really badly to kick the living hell out of him for laughing but my leg is stuck in the frame of the bike and the chain somehow wrapped itself around my foot. This of course has him to the point where he can't breath because he is laughing so hard.
When he finally finished laughing he helped me get out of the tangled mess and I decided it was time to head home. So I pedaled home, in the single high gear, trying not to sit on the seat because of the two lemons in my shorts. Which is made even more annoying by the fact that my handle bars no longer lined up correctly with the tire.
So, yes, lie on the ground, swear, maybe even a couple of tears but no throwing up. |
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07/23/2004 09:45:46 PM · #46 |
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07/23/2004 10:34:48 PM · #47 |
10 for 10 and 4 for 4 bonus round. Great images! Truth be told, I have done a lot of work in 3D and Photoshop since 2.5. It's easy to say photorealism in CG isn't quite there yet for static images. You can pick them to pieces but it's not so easy with 29.97 frames per second on a television. Problem is, nobody has the time or money to render perfect video.
BTW, biker, real.
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07/23/2004 10:50:08 PM · #48 |
I think it's real and that probebly the cyclist was looking at the photographer or maybe even a few people behind the camera. I understand about the framing bit but maybe the person was trying to be a bit creative or simply trying to capture the building too, maybe maybe maybe, whatever the case it's really funny and I believe that the cyclist is either a very good actor/poser to hold that position or he really crashed there. other people are looking the way of the photographer too so could be it it is real, either way it's very funny but looks painfull too.
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07/23/2004 11:08:22 PM · #49 |
| Shouldn't there be at least a little motion blur especially around the back of the bike which is supposedly flinging him into the pole? If the photographer were just a snapshot tourist, I doubt he'd have his shutter speed cranked up really high with large aperture just to take a pic of his stationary friend posing in front of a stationary building. The depth of field seems pretty large too for the pic to have been a fast shutter. I can definitely imagine the guy posing with the bike, leaning against the pole. His right hand could be the holding the handlebars and front wheel in position while his left hand (unseen) could be holding the rest of the bike by the seat at that believable angle, slightly tilted off from the plane of the front wheel. Dunno what he's doing with his left leg but still my vote is that it's fake. |
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07/23/2004 11:12:50 PM · #50 |
I'm not arguing that the crash is real. I'm arguing that it was staged.
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