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10/27/2025 03:34:42 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
Shouldn't that also require locking/closing of the team thread? |
I'm not sure that require is the correct word but sure, close it.
PM's are available if someone(s) want to exchange thoughts.
More important is to have access to all the voting once a team is eliminated. |
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10/27/2025 03:58:18 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Leave the threads. |
Just trying to be consistent (for a change?).
Note that I have long been in favor of allowing members to form an "affinity group" during non-DPL times, which would function just like the team threads, for the same reasons but with the same restrictions.
However, also note that allowing team members to vote on each other's entries might be perceived by others as conferring an unfair advantage -- you are asking everyone to trust that you will vote fairly on an image you might have helped make better.
I have asked for another member's opinion on a potential entry from time to time, but that's not the same as regularly getting assistance or opinions from a whole, consistent group. |
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10/27/2025 04:20:56 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
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Yes -- it is completely possible that someone would play unfairly. But I truly believe that people are here to enjoy playing and play by the rules. I'm tired of everyone being punished for assuming someone will cheat. . . . |
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(I'm not actually weighing in on the locked vs unlocked threads once a team is out. I would just like to underscore this that Wendy said.)
ETA Especially the last two sentences.
Message edited by author 2025-10-27 22:09:35. |
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10/27/2025 05:36:47 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
Shouldn't that also require locking/closing of the team thread? |
Yes |
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10/27/2025 05:37:19 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
I think this is the wrong thread, the best might be to PM Mita. |
Get with the program. - correct thread |
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11/01/2025 11:37:34 AM · #31 |
Sorry for the slow response.
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
It makes complete sense. I checked what is involved programming-wise, and it is not straightforward to do. I will add it to DPL7 pre-requisite list. Apologies to the affected DPL6 participants. |
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11/02/2025 08:44:06 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
It makes complete sense. I checked what is involved programming-wise, and it is not straightforward to do. I will add it to DPL7 pre-requisite list. Apologies to the affected DPL6 participants. |
On a second look, it shouldn't be too hard to implement. I will see to it once the current DPL playoffs round is over. |
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11/02/2025 10:00:11 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
It makes complete sense. I checked what is involved programming-wise, and it is not straightforward to do. I will add it to DPL7 pre-requisite list. Apologies to the affected DPL6 participants. |
On a second look, it shouldn't be too hard to implement. I will see to it once the current DPL playoffs round is over. |
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11/02/2025 06:12:13 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
I’ve now seen and heard from teammates and other players - that we would like our full access to voting once our team is eliminated. |
It makes complete sense. I checked what is involved programming-wise, and it is not straightforward to do. I will add it to DPL7 pre-requisite list. Apologies to the affected DPL6 participants. |
On a second look, it shouldn't be too hard to implement. I will see to it once the current DPL playoffs round is over. |
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See it can be done - Thank you Mita!!!
ETA: bad spelling!!!
Message edited by author 2025-11-02 21:00:06. |
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11/25/2025 05:04:08 PM · #35 |
Pulling the following from the DPL6 thread ... time to move onto DPL7 please. Thanks.
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
So, when will DPL7 start? ;) |
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
So, when will DPL7 start? ;) |
I think we should do it annually. |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
So, when will DPL7 start? ;) |
I think we should do it annually. |
What about Winter and Summer seasons? That way the participants in both hemispheres would be catered for :) |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
So, when will DPL7 start? ;) |
I think we should do it annually. |
I vote for biennial. :-) |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
OK, I was thinking about this. If you look at the number entries per challenge there has not been no significant increase for non DPL challenges. If DPC is to continue with decent number of entries it needs DPL. What about doing a survey of all actual and potential DPL participants on what frequency they would like? I think that might be better than making any guesses. |
Message edited by author 2025-11-25 17:04:26. |
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11/25/2025 06:30:13 PM · #36 |
| Maybe more smaller teams with a bigger bracket -- season lasts longer and more people's scores would "count" so participation should increase. |
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11/25/2025 07:54:05 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
I think that having 2 conferences is unrealistic. I am suggesting just one division with 8 teams and 7 to 10 members in each team. The matches would go on for 7 Rounds so that each team plays every other team.
Average of 6 scores would make the team score. The winners would be based on highest average score from 7 matches and not by win/lose. If there is a tie allow more than one winner or run a playoff just with these teams.
I really think that one division is way to go. |
To continue, 8 teams with 7 rounds ensure maximum possible participation. It also maintains 2 weeks for shooting which I very much prefer.
More refinements:
Apart from the Team Scoreboard there would be also Individual Scoreboard for the Tournament. That way the highest scoring participants would be also awarded
Create Tournament Ribbons Blue, Red and Yellow for winning teams and individuals that members could put on their profile pages
Run DPL twice a year, Spring/Summer Season and Fall/Winter. This way members from the southern hemisphere (like Australians :) would not be disadvantaged |
Any supporters of this idea? |
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11/25/2025 08:01:08 PM · #38 |
| However it's eventually structured I think we should maintain the round-robin principle, where every team plays every other team they're competing with. |
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11/26/2025 09:35:04 AM · #39 |
| i suggest not allowing a team to be stacked with ribbon hogs so they blow every other team out of the water in every round. |
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11/26/2025 10:05:05 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
i suggest not allowing a team to be stacked with ribbon hogs so they blow every other team out of the water in every round. |
How do you make sure that this does not happen? If you use averages of last 10 challenges you might get stacking as it happened in DPL6. |
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11/26/2025 10:11:48 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by posthumous:
i suggest not allowing a team to be stacked with ribbon hogs so they blow every other team out of the water in every round. |
How do you make sure that this does not happen? If you use averages of last 10 challenges you might get stacking as it happened in DPL6. |
One way would be to have a draft system instead of teams forming themselves -- disadvantage is not working with your friends, advantage that you get to work with new people. |
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11/26/2025 10:25:44 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by posthumous:
i suggest not allowing a team to be stacked with ribbon hogs so they blow every other team out of the water in every round. |
How do you make sure that this does not happen? If you use averages of last 10 challenges you might get stacking as it happened in DPL6. |
One way would be to have a draft system instead of teams forming themselves -- disadvantage is not working with your friends, advantage that you get to work with new people. |
How would make the predefined selection? Would you consider official Top 50 ribbons or the latest unofficial ribbons rather than last 10 challenges? Or maybe come up with some kind of a formula that combines these?
I am one of the worst offenders of the current system, I started with Seed Average of 40% and finished with Season Average of 80%. |
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11/26/2025 10:55:14 AM · #43 |
With a draft working out averages is discarded. It's not a fully-formed idea, but we would have to decide how many teams there are, and people would sign up to be captains; everyone else would go into a pool. Captains would then take turns selecting from the pool.
It might be complicated, but fairer. |
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11/26/2025 12:51:35 PM · #44 |
| Not many DPCers participate in these discussions, without your contribution there will be no DPL7 with a good number of participants :( |
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11/26/2025 01:35:45 PM · #45 |
| Another (radical but maybe simpler) option would be to have everybody sign up in a pool (with a deadline) and then assign them to teams based on a random drawing. |
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11/26/2025 02:13:22 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Another (radical but maybe simpler) option would be to have everybody sign up in a pool (with a deadline) and then assign them to teams based on a random drawing. |
I like this! It could produce very strange groupings indeed. I think that's the best idea so far, let the random decide! :) |
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11/26/2025 02:36:09 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Another (radical but maybe simpler) option would be to have everybody sign up in a pool (with a deadline) and then assign them to teams based on a random drawing. |
I like this! It could produce very strange groupings indeed. I think that's the best idea so far, let the random decide! :) |
I like it too. I also like the draft idea because the captains are already chosen. In the random drawing, I suspect the captains would be decided after the teams are formed (not a bad thing, just different).
The one problem I see with these ideas is that not everybody signs up at the same time. Would there be a cut off date for signup before the teams get chosen?
I'm thinking there would need to be a predetermined (even) number of teams to plan a schedule.
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11/26/2025 03:02:53 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Would there be a cut off date for signup before the teams get chosen?
I'm thinking there would need to be a predetermined (even) number of teams to plan a schedule. |
Yes, with either a draft of a random drawing.
Yes. Ideally groupings are by eights (i.e. 8 or 16 teams). If there are 12 then four groupings of 3 teams each. If done by random drawing then teams pick their name and captain after formation -- allow another week for that before starting; teams and their threads can be numbered in the meantime.
Message edited by author 2025-11-26 15:07:01. |
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11/26/2025 05:12:12 PM · #49 |
This 'Draft' proposal would also help eliminate the problem we had last time with 13 teams and having to have one step down.
Get the pool number set (say 7 per team times X number of teams decided ahead of time) ... once the pool reaches that number, shut off sign-ups.
That ^ is obviously ballparking it ... |
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11/26/2025 11:32:44 PM · #50 |
Paul, are you still assuming that with 12 teams they will not play one another? I am not sure what you mean by grouping of 3 teams if 12 teams were formed.
My idea is 8 teams assumed at the start with 7 to 10 members depending on how many sign up. Once 56 are in the pool they are randomly selected to form 8 teams and can start selecting captains. If there are additional signups before the deadline they would be randomly assigned each time 8 persons are in the pool to ensure even distribution. If after deadline there is less than 8 in the pool they would miss out. With 7 or 8 per team 4 scores would count to the team score, if 9 or 10 5 scores would be needed.
PS I just realized that with one conference and round-robin it does not matter how many teams are formed as long as there is a minimum of 7 persons per team. With 8 teams 7 weeks is needed, with 9 teams 9 weeks, with 10 teams again 9 weeks etc
Message edited by author 2025-11-27 00:20:33. |
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