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06/25/2004 12:27:13 AM · #1 |
Will you go watch F911. Yes, No why?
Just a curious.
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 00:27:38.
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06/25/2004 12:41:16 AM · #2 |
No. Because it's touted as a documentary, but it isn't. Just like the Reagan "documentary", this one is also full of lies and spin, and is clearly political in nature. Do you really want to go watch/listen to 2 hours of lies and political spin?
No thanks. I've got better things to do (like comment on this :D )
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06/25/2004 12:45:19 AM · #3 |
| I will definitely watch it. |
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06/25/2004 12:57:01 AM · #4 |
| No political or propaganda films for me. |
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06/25/2004 01:01:17 AM · #5 |
| I'll watch it, with a bit of skepticism. |
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06/25/2004 01:06:24 AM · #6 |
Absolutely not. I will not dignify a left wing propaganda film full of half truths and out right lies by adding my hard earned money to the propagandists booty... I would also, as a true blue American, like to see this moved to the rant section so that I and others who feel as I do are not subjected to any attempt to give it credibility!
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06/25/2004 01:08:39 AM · #7 |
I'll definitely go to see it knowing full well that Michael Moore is more of a propagandist than a documentary filmmaker. I take everything he and our president say, with a grain of salt. Still, it's good to know as many sides of the story as possible when trying to form an opinion, regardless of how extreme one person's side may be.
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06/25/2004 01:11:29 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I'll definitely go to see it knowing full well that Michael Moore is more of a propagandist than a documentary filmmaker. I take everything he and our president say, with a grain of salt. Still, it's good to know as many sides of the story as possible when trying to form an opinion, regardless of how extreme one person's side may be. |
I'm with you. Knowledge is truth, even if you have to piece the truths together. |
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06/25/2004 01:18:31 AM · #9 |
I know I have been busy lately, but I didn't think I was completely out of the loop of life. :)
What is F911?
David
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06/25/2004 01:25:40 AM · #10 |
Here is a little cut and paste about F911
Okay people, whether you like Michael Moore or not if you're an American and you care even the slightest little bit about the rights and freedoms laid out in your constitution, you need to get upset about this ... Walt Disney have forbidden Miramax (who are a fully owned Disney subsidiary) from distributing Michael Moore's Faranheit 911. That'd be the film that points out the Bush family's business connections within the arab world, including to the family of Osama Bin Laden, and criticeses Bush's manipulation of the media post 9-11 to further his own agenda. And why has Disney gotten involved? Because they're afraid that Jeb Bush - that'd be George's brother who also happens to be governor of Florida - will repeal the tax breaks they receive on their Florida operations, including the Disney World theme park. Following the chain here? Moore makes a film criticising the president. President's brother leans on Michael Eisner. Eisner squelches film. This is brutal, absolutely brutal, and should not be tolerated regardless of your political leanings.
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06/25/2004 01:50:00 AM · #11 |
| I saw portions and definatelly think you must see ! |
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06/25/2004 02:01:18 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
That'd be the film that points out the Bush family's business connections within the arab world, including to the family of Osama Bin Laden, and criticeses Bush's manipulation of the media post 9-11 to further his own agenda.... |
Wow pretty sensational, but what does this statement really mean? This is exactly what I mean about spin to fit your agenda. The statement alludes to something devious and bad, when in fact it says nothing.
So what if Bush has business connections with the arab world? What does this REALLY mean? And so what if the Bush family has ties with the Bin Laden family? Is this supposed to mean that Bush and Bin Laden both planned 9-11, or is supposed to simply SUGGEST THIS without any proof at all? The statement is bogus because there is no supporting facts given, just a suggestion that something wrong was done.
And watching the movie won't shed any light on it either, because it's purely a propoganda leftist film.
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
And why has Disney gotten involved? Because they're afraid that Jeb Bush - that'd be George's brother who also happens to be governor of Florida - will repeal the tax breaks they receive on their Florida operations, including the Disney World theme park. |
Prove it. Maybe Disney just doesn't like lefty propaganda, have you ever considered that? I guess the big right wing conspiracy thing is much more marketable?
Originally posted by Herblacklist12:
Following the chain here? Moore makes a film criticising the president. President's brother leans on Michael Eisner. Eisner squelches film. This is brutal, absolutely brutal, and should not be tolerated regardless of your political leanings. |
Yeah I follow the chain, and it comes from liberals making movies which are full of lies and propoganda, are called documentaries when they are really 2 hour campaign ads for their own party, and people will go see it thinking they are getting objective information when they really are not.
I follow the chain alright. :)
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06/25/2004 02:42:12 AM · #13 |
| I won't pay 8 bucks to see it. I'll probably wait until it becomes a rental or if they play it on TV. I'm sure it will probably do very well because it has been hyped so much. I can't wait for this year to be over. No matter who wins the election it will be nice to not have to deal with movies like this and negative campaign ads from both sides of the political spectrum for a few years. Sorry but negative campaigning and partisan politics really get on my nerves. |
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06/25/2004 02:45:08 AM · #14 |
Directed by the honorary canadian Michael Moore!?
HECK YES!
Lee
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06/25/2004 03:23:53 AM · #15 |
| First off, Moores motives aren't altruistic in the least - he wants to be a successful film maker, at any cost. Secondly, to imply that Bush (who I'm NOT voting for again), deliberately turned a blind eye to the terroristic tragedy that was about to kill over 3000 people, is going WAY too far out on a limb. Thirdly, I'll watch the movie when it's free (like on HBO) - I can't justify giving my hard earned money to such a questionable venture. |
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06/25/2004 03:56:05 AM · #16 |
I will probably go see it, but i don't really see if there is any point. the only people with me in the cinema are going to be like-minded individuals - it might be a generalisation, but i would imagine the majority of bush / war-supporters would generally scoff at the idea of contemplating the handing of money to a perceived enemy. the whole thing with michael moore reaks of preaching to the choir, so to speak.
as far as the whole "lies" accusation thing, well i dunno. if he was telling porkies, wouldn't he be sued, like on a massive scale?
i'm in two minds about michael moore nowadays anyway. TV nation ROCKed, because although it had a semi-serious agenda, it was still poking fun at the silliness of the world. the last book "dude..." was substandard (feels like it was knocked out in a rush after the success of its predecessor) and did smell of inflated ego, self-importance and slightly wiffy righteousness. but the other one, "Stupid..." was a fascinating and enjoyable (and disheartening) read.
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06/25/2004 04:09:14 AM · #17 |
| I might go see just because someone is trying to keep me frome seeing it. I'm no fan of Moore, but I'm no fan of Bush either. |
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06/25/2004 04:31:12 AM · #18 |
I'll watch it.
And yes, the Bush's were definately friends with the Bin laden's before 9/11. What more do you need? A paint trail?
Look at who benefited most from the attacks. It sure wasn't Osama. He's now being hunted around the globe. It's George W. Bush. After the attacks, he was given the authority to declare war on whatever he wanted. Congress foolishly gave up their right to do so. Leading to the Iraq war, which may or may not be justified. (that's a whole other can of worms)
To go even further would be to say that Osama has been captured already. He was last known to be in Pakistan, who sold nuclear secrets to who knows who. And yet the western world just says "Oh. Okay." Which I believe happened since Pakistan is holding Bin Laden for a time when it will be of the most political advantage. I.E. Before this years election. He'll magically be captured in Pakistan for all the camera's, in hopes of raising Bush's chance for re-election.
But I'm just a conspiracy theorist, and you will believe what you want to believe.
"Not everyone believes what you do Morpheus."
"My beliefs do not require them to." |
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06/25/2004 04:50:21 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Wow pretty sensational, but what does this statement really mean? This is exactly what I mean about spin to fit your agenda. The statement alludes to something devious and bad, when in fact it says nothing.
So what if Bush has business connections with the arab world? What does this REALLY mean? And so what if the Bush family has ties with the Bin Laden family? Is this supposed to mean that Bush and Bin Laden both planned 9-11, or is supposed to simply SUGGEST THIS without any proof at all? The statement is bogus because there is no supporting facts given, just a suggestion that something wrong was done.
And watching the movie won't shed any light on it either, because it's purely a propoganda leftist film.
Prove it. Maybe Disney just doesn't like lefty propaganda, have you ever considered that? I guess the big right wing conspiracy thing is much more marketable?
Yeah I follow the chain, and it comes from liberals making movies which are full of lies and propoganda, are called documentaries when they are really 2 hour campaign ads for their own party, and people will go see it thinking they are getting objective information when they really are not.
I follow the chain alright. :) |
I mean this in a non-offensive way, but some people can comprehend just by simply witnessing the trends, while others will have to be walked through.
The media brain washed population of the 21st century definitely need to be walked through. Its just a shame how it has to be contoversially triggered, with icing on top, for the truth to sell. And that's exactly the strategy Moore's used to market his side of the truth.
The question of why America feels it possesses the right to condemn his first amendment right will be left for another discussion.
But for now, don't be a bigot and give all sides of the story a chance.
Regards,
Salar
Message edited by author 2004-06-25 05:36:52. |
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06/25/2004 06:53:03 AM · #20 |
I will certainly watch it, then make sure as many people get to see it as soon as possible. I hope it has the desired affect and makes a difference for the Nov elections.
I think the world has had enough of Mr. Cowboy. |
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06/25/2004 06:56:03 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Absolutely not. I will not dignify a left wing propaganda film full of half truths and out right lies by adding my hard earned money to the propagandists booty... I would also, as a true blue American, like to see this moved to the rant section so that I and others who feel as I do are not subjected to any attempt to give it credibility! |
Umm... I'm not for or against the film since I don't live in the USA, but you can just hit the ignore tab on the top of the page and you won't have to look at the thread title anymore.
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06/25/2004 07:00:50 AM · #22 |
| If all I have to do is spend a few bucks to help defeat that incompentent bonehead in November then I will do it. |
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06/25/2004 07:03:34 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by SMW409:
If all I have to do is spend a few bucks to help defeat that incompentent bonehead in November then I will do it. |
LOL :) |
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06/25/2004 07:43:31 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
No political or propaganda films for me. |
Why not? Though you might not agree with things they can be interesting. But some say that the "truth" is hard to face.
I liked Bowling for Colombine so I think I will see this one too. Of cours these are much more propaganda or political statments than documentary but thats all right with me. I would though like things to be called what the are. |
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06/25/2004 09:02:59 AM · #25 |
S/C can we please move this to the Rant section where it belongs...
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