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 05/15/2023 09:45:48 AM · #51
Moving to a new thread specific to this question.

Originally posted by Ja-9:
Question regarding Minimal Editing ...


Message edited by author 2023-05-15 09:46:13.
 05/15/2023 02:39:00 PM · #52
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Round 4

Standard Editing Ruleset

Original: ... Edit:

Legal or not?


Not Legal No flash element present(?) so not a possibility in reality . . . .

ETA; If there was a flash popped up just not lit - it would be legal (?)

Is she right? Not legal? Already answered? Am I blind? What is the meaning of life? Too many questions?
 05/15/2023 02:51:18 PM · #53
Wow -- I would have thought it was illegal. Because you are creating a new object that didn't exist in the original image. But when I'm looking at the rules, the only thing I can't do is add text. It's just color changes. If this is the case, why can't I create clouds, they are just color changes.

I say it's illegal -- but I can't see it anywhere in the rules...?
 05/15/2023 02:55:36 PM · #54
Originally posted by vawendy:
Wow -- I would have thought it was illegal. Because you are creating a new object that didn't exist in the original image. But when I'm looking at the rules, the only thing I can't do is add text. It's just color changes. If this is the case, why can't I create clouds, they are just color changes.

I say it's illegal -- but I can't see it anywhere in the rules...?
my thought exactly. That's why I said I could do a LOT with that ruleset. If we can light lamps, what can't we do?
 05/15/2023 02:59:27 PM · #55
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Ok - This one is also legal under Standard Editing Ruleset. :-) Just adjusted some pixels to a lighter shade and color.

I could do a LOT by "adjusting some pixels to a lighter shade and color."

Yup! a LOT :-)

Any image can theoretically be produced from a uniformly gray rectangle by adjusting shade and color of some pixels. I thought the requirement of not creating new objects was very sensible. Sad if indeed it's gone.
 05/15/2023 03:12:33 PM · #56
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Wow -- I would have thought it was illegal. Because you are creating a new object that didn't exist in the original image. But when I'm looking at the rules, the only thing I can't do is add text. It's just color changes. If this is the case, why can't I create clouds, they are just color changes.

I say it's illegal -- but I can't see it anywhere in the rules...?
my thought exactly. That's why I said I could do a LOT with that ruleset. If we can light lamps, what can't we do?


Lighting lamps at least was just changing the color of an existing object -- like changing someone's shirt from pink to green. They didn't add a glow around the outside of the lamps, which would have been adding a new element (or would it?). But the current example adds rays where there weren't any, a flash, etc.
 05/15/2023 03:30:09 PM · #57
Originally posted by vawendy:
Lighting lamps at least was just changing the color of an existing object


note your "existing object" language that apparently was removed.
 05/15/2023 03:41:42 PM · #58
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Lighting lamps at least was just changing the color of an existing object


note your "existing object" language that apparently was removed.


I'm noticing that. But that seems wrong. It moves it to extended editing and encourages drawing over photos to make the new features.
 05/15/2023 05:46:27 PM · #59
Holy crap!!!
I've been gone WAY too long.
 05/15/2023 06:14:58 PM · #60
Let's be clear about one thing: what's being discussed in this thread is whether a given edit is legal under the current rules, not whether it OUGHT to be.

SC are well aware one of the last gray areas is this "new features" pond that's pretty murky. A bit of history would perhaps help: way back in the when, serious arguments were bandied about that "vignettes" are "features", as are sky gradients, and they ought not be allowed. But at the same time, those two PP techniques were a significant part of a photographer's bag of tricks.

So then we get into the area of defining what is a "feature" and what is not, is a gradient an object, and so forth and so on. So we opted to eliminate the distinction altogether, at the same time we eliminated the requirement that color changes had to be restricted to the shape of actual objects in the scene, and as of now that's worked out pretty well for us, we have not had to deal with a lot of issues arising from that area of the rule.

Just for background :-)
 05/16/2023 12:40:59 AM · #61
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Lighting lamps at least was just changing the color of an existing object


note your "existing object" language that apparently was removed.


I'm noticing that. But that seems wrong. It moves it to extended editing and encourages drawing over photos to make the new features.


I am so confused - the lamp lighting I totally got. Curves layer and brush on the mask to reveal. But the camera one makes zero sense to me - the flash is not popped up so the element isnât there to begin with to enhance.

Message edited by author 2023-05-16 00:43:04.
 05/18/2023 11:02:01 PM · #62
Round 5

Standard Editing Ruleset

Original: ... Edit:

Legal edit, or not?
 05/18/2023 11:52:39 PM · #63
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Round 5

Standard Editing Ruleset

Original: ... Edit:

Legal edit, or not?


I've seen plenty of people applying a similar filter and not get DQ'd. It is applied more heavily than I have seen it done before. It may be marginal, but I think it is legal. I don't see anything prohibiting the application of an art filter.
 05/20/2023 09:55:12 PM · #64
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I've seen plenty of people applying a similar filter and not get DQ'd. It is applied more heavily than I have seen it done before. It may be marginal, but I think it is legal. I don't see anything prohibiting the application of an art filter.

Correct. Is legal.
 05/20/2023 09:55:32 PM · #65
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Round 5

Standard Editing Ruleset

Original: ... Edit:

Legal edit, or not?


This one is a legal edit.
 05/21/2023 05:20:55 PM · #66
Round 6

Standard Editing Ruleset

We've established that the art filter used in #5 was legal. Here's another filter.

Original: ... Edit:

Legal edit, or not?

05/28/2023 06:02:36 PM · #67
so...vignettes are legal? Asking for a friend.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Let's be clear about one thing: what's being discussed in this thread is whether a given edit is legal under the current rules, not whether it OUGHT to be.

SC are well aware one of the last gray areas is this "new features" pond that's pretty murky. A bit of history would perhaps help: way back in the when, serious arguments were bandied about that "vignettes" are "features", as are sky gradients, and they ought not be allowed. But at the same time, those two PP techniques were a significant part of a photographer's bag of tricks.

So then we get into the area of defining what is a "feature" and what is not, is a gradient an object, and so forth and so on. So we opted to eliminate the distinction altogether, at the same time we eliminated the requirement that color changes had to be restricted to the shape of actual objects in the scene, and as of now that's worked out pretty well for us, we have not had to deal with a lot of issues arising from that area of the rule.

Just for background :-)


Message edited by author 2023-05-28 18:03:09.
 05/28/2023 06:33:13 PM · #68
Originally posted by Hipychik:
so...vignettes are legal? Asking for a friend.

Legal in Standard and Extended, not legal in Minimal.
 05/28/2023 07:28:30 PM · #69
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Hipychik:
so...vignettes are legal? Asking for a friend.

Legal in Standard and Extended, not legal in Minimal.

Thank you!
 05/28/2023 08:54:07 PM · #70
I've been using mild vignettes to steer the viewer's eye since entries were restricted to 640 pixels.

Message edited by author 2023-05-28 20:54:19.
 05/29/2023 09:04:26 PM · #71
Sooo Mr. Berry - can we do a flip n blend in Standard? Is that legal?
 05/29/2023 09:30:18 PM · #72
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Sooo Mr. Berry - can we do a flip n blend in Standard? Is that legal?

I wish ... no, Flip/Blend is only legal in Extended.
 05/29/2023 10:57:41 PM · #73
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Sooo Mr. Berry - can we do a flip n blend in Standard? Is that legal?

I wish ... no, Flip/Blend is only legal in Extended.


What exactly is âillegalâ - asks the returning wayward daughterâ¦.
 05/29/2023 11:00:42 PM · #74
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Sooo Mr. Berry - can we do a flip n blend in Standard? Is that legal?


Highly discourage googling âflip and blend photoâ . . . . Just sayin. <<<< just kidding of course, I literally have no idea what that is and my 3rd grade brain went naughty.

Message edited by author 2023-05-29 23:13:20.
 05/29/2023 11:01:28 PM · #75
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Sooo Mr. Berry - can we do a flip n blend in Standard? Is that legal?

I wish ... no, Flip/Blend is only legal in Extended.


What exactly is âillegalâ - asks the returning wayward daughterâ¦.


Weâve done 3 Flip n Blend Challenges - 2 Advanced/Standard Editing - 1 Expert Editing.

What make it âillegalâ specifically?
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