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04/22/2023 10:37:31 PM · #51 |
hey Art, I don't want to clog Margaret's thread. Some of your disagreements are just nuances, except for this part: AI does not know concepts and context, not yet. Not the way we do. "more data" does not make it learn concepts. It makes it better able to fake knowing concepts. The simple, easy stuff, like whether an answer is correct (or what an answer even is), or what driving is, or how many fingers are on a hand, it doesn't know.
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04/22/2023 11:34:16 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
or how many fingers are on a hand, it doesn't know. |
LOL, I'll give you that one. :)
*Sorry, Margaret.
Message edited by author 2023-04-22 23:34:57. |
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04/23/2023 01:08:17 AM · #53 |
Here is what AI has to say on the subject:
"Whether AI is fun or not largely depends on how it is used and who is using it. Some people find AI to be a fascinating and engaging tool, while others may find it to be boring or intimidating."
Based on this thread AI is fun only for some people. |
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04/23/2023 04:28:07 AM · #54 |
Ah, it's been awhile since I did one of these...
#AIisFun :) |
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04/23/2023 11:28:54 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Ken to ChatGPT:
Can you explain how AI will benefit humanity by replacing human functions over time? |
Originally posted by ChatGPT:
Cost savings: AI can perform many functions more efficiently and at a lower cost than humans, leading to cost savings for businesses and individuals.
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This is the greatest contention for me. For decades we have seen how AI/automation/etc. are faster, safer, "better" than their human counterparts. And it always starts out as being the most "cost effective"; at least until "improvements" erode that savings. Also, automation is always replacing humans while humans are intent on making more of themselves. The argument is that automation saves humans from having to do tedious jobs; except that AI is now also replacing humans in the creative fields.
Then there's this: "I don't know anyone that is taking everything ChatGPT says as gospel truth and if they are, it is probably in no less measure than people who use "Just Google it" to reference their "trusted source" of factual information". The issue is that eventually we will not be able to tell whether a human or AI wrote source material - teachers are already dealing with this at schools. |
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04/23/2023 11:54:12 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
The argument is that automation saves humans from having to do tedious jobs |
Entire schools/guilds of humans used to labor away at trying to make paintings look completely realistic. Individuals would spend decades perfecting this skill. It was not considered a tedious job, but it was indeed about 99% replaced by automation.
I get no end of amusement over how AI is mastering "ribbon hog" photos already. You might think the AI photo that won the contest is a "posthumous ribbon" photo, but it is not. I might have given it a 7, but not a ribbon. There's no real story there, it just has a certain "look" to it. I'm not saying AI can't make a photo that I would love, it's just taking longer to please me, and I get a kick out of that.
My powers of prediction are lacking but I predict a world where I will not be able to tell if something is AI, and some of my "ribbons" will go to AI because I do appreciate randomness and weirdness. I also predict that I will be forced to grow in my appreciation of art, and I will start to value the connection to biography. One example is Cindy Sherman (btw, I couldn't remember her name so I asked AI) and her fake film stills.
Sure, you could feed those into AI and generate more, and maybe I couldn't tell them apart, but the original series was the art, and what those photographs said about Cindy Sherman's human condition at the time.
That human condition is what's missing from AI, and missing from a lot of the ribbon winners on this site. I would love for DPC to create an AI user to compete in the challenges and see how it does. Maybe if DPL runs a little short!
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04/23/2023 12:00:27 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
That human condition is what's missing from AI, and missing from a lot of the ribbon winners on this site. I would love for DPC to create an AI user to compete in the challenges and see how it does. Maybe if DPL runs a little short! |
I suspect a lot of people are unable to detect (or care about) the human condition in the creation of art - based entirely on the types of images at the top of the popularity heap on IG et al.
And I think it would be fascinating to have a real life experiment between human- and AI-generated images on DPC. I'm just not sure if I'm ready for the results ;) |
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04/23/2023 02:06:09 PM · #58 |
I am sure I don't want to have AI fun as it is suggested.
Or "augmented reality".
At least not here, at DPC.
I am not talking about resistance to learn but resistance to dramatically change DPC as one a the few photography sites. AI already started the invasion from pizza orders to galleries.
Message edited by author 2023-04-23 17:29:08. |
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