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06/14/2004 11:50:08 AM · #1

Where the freedom and human rights are the best protected in the world despite the recent anti-terror security measures.
Elsewhere you get arrested just by speaking or broadcasting on your mother tongue !
Shame on Greece (the oldest "Democracy" )yeah,right !

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

06/14/2004 11:52:46 AM · #2

I think a lot of countries have more 'freedom' than the US.

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06/14/2004 11:57:45 AM · #3

Originally posted by Konador:

I think a lot of countries have more 'freedom' than the US.

It is easy to have democracy where population is 99 % white and everyone speaks Norvegian,try that where your apartment building or whole city or state ,even country looks like United Nations,don't even go there ..

Message edited by author 2004-06-14 11:57:59.

RonB

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

06/14/2004 12:06:28 PM · #4

Originally posted by pitsaman:

Elsewhere you get arrested just by speaking or broadcasting on your mother tongue !
Shame on Greece (the oldest "Democracy" )yeah,right !

Contrary to your accusation, it wasn't JUST for broadcasting in your mother tongue. While there may have been political motivation, the fact is that the station was broadcasting illegally. Many illegal stations in the U.S. have also been shut down for the same reason. For example, just last month federal authorities shut down "El Sol," 95.3 FM, in Pennsauken, NJ, and seized its broadcast equipment, saying it was operating illegally, not to mention interfering with the signals of licensed stations.

Ron

Jacko

Canon EOS-20D

06/14/2004 12:13:36 PM · #5

Long live Canada. Pretty good place to be. And not only for the "whites".

MadMordegon

06/14/2004 12:13:46 PM · #6

freedom of speech in action:
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BobsterLobster

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06/14/2004 12:15:21 PM · #7

From your link:
"We would further like to stress that it is crucial for journalists to exercise their profession freely and that the independent media are fundamental to the democratic development of any country."

And discussed recently on Metafilter,
an article here about America's treatment of foreign journalists. Also discussed at length here.

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06/14/2004 12:17:02 PM · #8

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by pitsaman:
Elsewhere you get arrested just by speaking or broadcasting on your mother tongue !
Shame on Greece (the oldest "Democracy" )yeah,right !

Contrary to your accusation, it wasn't JUST for broadcasting in your mother tongue. While there may have been political motivation, the fact is that the station was broadcasting illegally. Many illegal stations in the U.S. have also been shut down for the same reason. For example, just last month federal authorities shut down "El Sol," 95.3 FM, in Pennsauken, NJ, and seized its broadcast equipment, saying it was operating illegally, not to mention interfering with the signals of licensed stations.

Ron

You are funny and living in "Imaginary Land" !
Try to get a licence if you are non Greek there...
Macedonians are treated same as Blacks here in 1964 !

blemt

Nikon D70

06/14/2004 12:23:18 PM · #9

Hmmm, I'm thinking Clear Channel dropping Howard Stern to keep from getting nailed by the FCC. As for protecting human rights...

The United States exicutes more people than any other western nation.
Amnesty International would point out that supporting the death penalty is not exactally protecting human rights. I'd argue that in many areas the UK does much better.

Those who live in glass houses...this is a great place to live. Most days I would not trade it for the world. That doesn't mean we are even as close to perfect as we think we are. :)

Clara- God Bless America.

Canon EF 135mm f/2.0L USM

06/14/2004 12:28:57 PM · #10

Howard Stern didn't get kicked out because he was broadcasting in Spanish !
His program was Adult nature and viewers with little kids didn't want him on air for many years and even I had problems when my kids sometimes used to tune in on his program...

MadMordegon

06/14/2004 12:49:47 PM · #11

Originally posted by Jacko:

Long live Canada. Pretty good place to be. And not only for the "whites".

ya i plan on moving to canada one day but im waiting for global warming to ease up those winters some first ;)

RonB

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

06/14/2004 01:46:57 PM · #12

Originally posted by pitsaman:

You are funny and living in "Imaginary Land" !
Try to get a licence if you are non Greek there...
Macedonians are treated same as Blacks here in 1964 !

You started this rant complaining about how a radio station got shut down "just because" they were broadcasting in their mother tongue. Now, you are posting what may be a legitimate complaint about the treatment of Macedonians by the Greeks. Those are two entirely different things. It may very well be difficult, if not close to impossible, to get a license for a Macedonian language radio station in Greece. In which case, I sympathize with those who are trying to do so. But to say that the U.S. grants more freedom than Greece, based on the example you gave, does not hold up to scrutiny.

Ron

gingerbaker

Canon EOS-5D

06/14/2004 01:56:35 PM · #13

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

freedom of speech in action:
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2

Good example of freedom of speech, all right.

Don't necessarily want to hijack the thread, ....but IS Bush the AntiChrist?

Evidently, the Pope thinks so! :D

From the New Catholic Times

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."

COPYRIGHT 2003 Catholic New Times, Inc.
COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group

gingerbaker

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06/14/2004 01:59:39 PM · #14

Originally posted by pitsaman:

Yes, but Howard Stern was a potty mouth for years and got raises. It wasn't until he started critcizing Bush that he got blackballed by Clearchannel, just like the Dixie Chicks. And that is his take on it as well. :(

06/14/2004 02:03:08 PM · #15

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by pitsaman:
You are funny and living in "Imaginary Land" !
Try to get a licence if you are non Greek there...
Macedonians are treated same as Blacks here in 1964 !

You started this rant complaining about how a radio station got shut down "just because" they were broadcasting in their mother tongue. Now, you are posting what may be a legitimate complaint about the treatment of Macedonians by the Greeks. Those are two entirely different things. It may very well be difficult, if not close to impossible, to get a license for a Macedonian language radio station in Greece. In which case, I sympathize with those who are trying to do so. But to say that the U.S. grants more freedom than Greece, based on the example you gave, does not hold up to scrutiny.

Ron

It is ONLY reason,I think so and I know so and ECRI know so :)
And I will keep spreading the word....

Beagleboy