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08/27/2012 10:16:20 PM · #826 |
Originally posted by Flash:
To give it a try, take a 2 pound weight and put in in your pocket or stick it in your waist band and go about your daily activities. In short order, you'll be done carrying that weight around. |
Just ask any janitor with a key-ring ... ;-) |
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03/14/2018 11:43:11 PM · #827 |
In December 2012, a gunman walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and killed 20 children, six adults, and himself. Since then, there have been at least 1,607 mass shootings, with at least 1,846 people killed and 6,459 wounded.
A month ago, hundreds of teenagers ran for their lives from the hallways and classrooms of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where 17 students and staff had been shot to death.
On Wednesday, driven by the conviction that they should never have to run from guns again, they walked.
Shortly after the walkouts began, the National Rifle Association said on Twitter, âLetâs work together to secure our schools and stop school violence.â
But the next tweet left no doubt as to where the N.R.A. stood on the message of the protests. It said, âIâll control my own guns, thank you.
Where do we stand? Is there an end in sight to this gun violence or will there always be conflict? |
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03/15/2018 01:19:12 AM · #828 |
I'm glad to see this thread opening up again.
To answer your question, there's always gonna be conflict because that's the nature of the human beast. But I'd like to believe it doesn't have to involve guns, and that there'd be a LOT less gun violence if there were a LOT fewer guns on the street. Apparently the (pro-gun) "experts" think that's a simplistic view, but it sure makes sense to me. |
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03/15/2018 09:01:49 PM · #829 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm glad to see this thread opening up again.
To answer your question, there's always gonna be conflict because that's the nature of the human beast. But I'd like to believe it doesn't have to involve guns, and that there'd be a LOT less gun violence if there were a LOT fewer guns on the street. Apparently the (pro-gun) "experts" think that's a simplistic view, but it sure makes sense to me. |
Makes sense to me too. And I think the Aus experience bears it out (though not perfectly).
As an outsider I am scratching my head wondering why the N.R.A seems to be 'calling the shots'.
I applaud the students who are taking a stance in demanding change. Power to them. |
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03/15/2018 11:35:17 PM · #830 |
| Thanks Marion! Australiaâs success in tightly restricting gun ownership after its worst mass shooting, and the concomitant reduction in gun crimes and mass shootings, is likely to be held up by proponents of gun control as an example for what the U.S. should do after its latest mass shooting. The countries are different, of course. America has more people, more guns per capita, and, perhaps most importantly, a constitutional right to bear arms. But the debate in Australia and developments in subsequent years show how a country can successfully deal with gun violence. |
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03/19/2018 09:49:37 PM · #831 |
I grew up in rural America where guns were a way of life. I have guns and have had guns all my life. I do shoot the occasional destructive ground hog or rabid racoon, fox, whatever.
The sooner we tighten this scary shit up where any idiot can get their hands on a weapon of war and engage in a mass shooting is NOT soon enough.
Licensing.
Background checks.
*NO* weapons of war. Assault rifles, fully automatic, semi-automatic, banana clips, 30 round mags, STOP the semantics and get them out of civilian hands.
Testing & evaluation, mental, physical, and ability. You shouldn't be able to buy a firearm without proving you can use and maintain one properly & sensibly.
Liability insurance and registration. You own one, you better got damn be responsible for it.
Too many have died. Stop fucking around.
Yeah, it's MY opinion, but if you don't see it that way, you're sure as Hell not interested in fixing what is, in fact, a really serious problem.
Message edited by author 2018-03-19 21:51:12.
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11/08/2018 10:11:36 AM · #832 |
Here's another gun massacre last night in California, so hard on the heels of other recent tragedies that it's a stampede.
I urge people to read Jeb's excellent comment just below, which so neatly lays out the road back to sanity.
Another gut punch, how do we regain our breath?
The NRA, funded by gun manufacturers and aficionados, must be confronted -- okay, I don't know how -- and stripped of their ability to keep politicians on their leash, many of whom are more interested in staying in power than protecting the people of the US. To our many members who live in other countries in the world, please pardon my parochial focus. In America, we crazy. The right to take human life must not be hampered by regard for human life. To boil it down.
It ties in with campaign finance reform, but I won't muddy the focus with that worthy goal now.
The much greater part of our population favors effective gun control, but we can't avail in a tainted democracy.
Nobody's guaranteed anything, but as far as access to guns we ought to be able to shave the odds. |
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11/09/2018 12:45:18 PM · #833 |
Yup. I agree. and I agree with Jeb.
Automobiles are dangerous things. We require drivers tests and licensing for those. Why not for guns? It certainly wouldn't stop all gun deaths, but it would be a step in the right direction.
And for God's sake (heaven is getting rather crowded, after all), why do people need to shoot rapid fire? Cameras -- I get it. Guns, I don't see the need. |
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11/13/2018 01:30:19 PM · #834 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Stop being hysterical and look at what you've written. The mentally ill, felons etc. by law, do not have the right to bear arms. So, your post is senseless. As a country, drunk drivers cause so many deaths. We should save far more lives by outlawing cars. If you take away the right to bear arms the only ones with guns will be the criminals who, by definition don't care about breaking the law. They will have absolute power. What would you do if someone broke into your house? Don't say "Oh, I'd call 911." because the police simply take too long unless you live next to the police station. You can choose not to defend yourself if you like.
Were it not for the right to bear arms, there is no doubt in my mind, I would be dead. |
I completely disagree. In countries where it is much more difficult to have a gun there are less murders. How do you explain that? |
I love Italy, lived there more than any other country except the US. Fewer murders, absolutely correct. More pot and opiates, also absolutely correct. Coincidence or causation? You be the judge.
Oh, and check this out. Brazil has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, but has a murder rate 5 times greater than the US: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-09/brazil-s-strict-gun-laws-haven-t-stopped-its-killers
Message edited by author 2018-11-13 13:39:32. |
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11/14/2018 09:22:33 AM · #835 |
Apples and oranges.
Brazil is at best an emerging, developing country, at worst, a banana republic where crime and violence is a way of life.
It's just not comparable to the US.
To use it as an example for not having some sensible gun restrictions being imposed is simply not valid and honestly, insulting.
There is a problem when a troubled, pissed off high school kid can go buy an AR-15 and solve all his perceived problems at the expense of innocent lives.
That is the root of what people who want this madness to stop want.
To do SOMETHING.
There's no magic fix and nobody's saying that they have "The Answer" 'cause we know better, but to continue to do nothing.....will fix nothing.
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