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06/03/2004 07:09:17 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Nanpantanman:
I have a question. When you submit your image there is a box for you to add comments. Why are these comments not displayed with your picture?
My current submition was acompanied by an explanation about [...]. Because my original explanation isn't shown, non english viewers have been confused as to why I chose to take a picture of [...].
I am new to this site so maybe I'm missing something here. Can someone explain?
-Kevin |
Kevin,
I've edited your post to remove the description of your challenge entry. As most participants prefer that entries remain anonymous during voting, we ask that you please do not reveal which entry is yours until voting is complete. For that reason we also try to avoid discussion of individual entries while voting is in progress.
While there are many fields to fill out when posting a challenge entry, the only two things that are displayed during voting are the title and the image. The comments box is provided so you can include details to be read after the challenge, such as how you set up the shot, your post processing steps, and possibly some additional history or context for the shot. Ultimately, though, this is a photography contest and not an essay contest, and therefore your entry nneds to stand on its own during voting.
-Terry
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06/03/2004 12:14:28 PM · #27 |
I just finished voting on team sports. I was not as impressed as i thought, voting some of my lowest scores ever, and I hate to say that! I really love to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Was it just a horrible grey week for taking photos? I know that grey days are great for macro, but for capturing a scene, it seems everything was over or underexposed and cropped way too tight.
As for the team sports without players, I did see a few shots with players so that was kinda sad. I also noticed a few shots I would say said nothing without the title. I think a title is important, but it should go hand in hand with the photo, not substitute it for the challenge requirement. Also, my opinions on team sports may differ than most, but I vote to my own opinions... so, to me, a team sport requires 2 people at least (per side) and it should proabably have the ability for one team to win or for the teams to tie. So, skydiving is a sport, but you don't have to have a team member to dive with you in order to win do you? I mean, it's you against gravity and a firm trust in your parachute maker! You are not, together, trying to beat another team all the time are you? I think of a team sport as a sport that you must have an opposition and a must have a teammate to help you beat them. Anyhow... enough of my blabbering. Good luck everyone! |
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06/03/2004 01:01:00 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
I find it quite amusing that almost every comment I have received has mentioned that I should add something (I can't say what, it will give it away) that is AGAINST BASIC EDITING RULES. My score is suffering due to the lack of whatever it is. Go figure...
Oh well, at least I didn't cheat or even unintentially break the rules, and I know for a fact it meets the challenge. I'm happy with it! :o) |
FoOr us beginners, the challenges are all about learning and being pushed to go out there and shoot. If you can be pround for trying and hopefully get a little better over time, I would hate it to later become just a matter of winning. Then it is a contest who over cheats the most cleverly. I am very happy that most people here really do want to adhere to the rules and then do the very best they can each time. Kudos, Laurie! (I also know it's hard to sometimes decide whether to comment on "what could have been", even if not possible. I guess that would also help in that you would have a better idea of what to look for in a shot.)
Message edited by author 2004-06-03 13:01:31.
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06/03/2004 04:40:58 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
... So, skydiving is a sport, but you don't have to have a team member to dive with you in order to win do you? I mean, it's you against gravity and a firm trust in your parachute maker! You are not, together, trying to beat another team all the time are you? |
I'm pretty sure in sky-diving competitions there are two ways teams can compete. If it's an accuracy competition, members' combined scores would give a team score. More commonly, teams of skydivers assemble in mid-air formations -- kind of a cross between diving and synchronized swimming -- where I think they're scored on the speed, accuracy, complexity and "grace" of the formation.
Also, almost no-one sky-dives (voluntarily) without a pilot; together they might well be considered a "team."
Of course, maybe someone who's actually jumped out of a plane could give us more specific information ... |
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06/03/2004 04:58:58 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
... So, skydiving is a sport, but you don't have to have a team member to dive with you in order to win do you? I mean, it's you against gravity and a firm trust in your parachute maker! You are not, together, trying to beat another team all the time are you? |
I'm pretty sure in sky-diving competitions there are two ways teams can compete. If it's an accuracy competition, members' combined scores would give a team score. More commonly, teams of skydivers assemble in mid-air formations -- kind of a cross between diving and synchronized swimming -- where I think they're scored on the speed, accuracy, complexity and "grace" of the formation.
Also, almost no-one sky-dives (voluntarily) without a pilot; together they might well be considered a "team."
Of course, maybe someone who's actually jumped out of a plane could give us more specific information ... |
Why would anyone jump out of a perfectly good airplane? Well, since there are no perfectly good airplanes...
Has anyone ever bunji jumped from a plane?
No, I am not volunteering. LOL
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06/03/2004 05:15:32 PM · #31 |
i also think that the comment should be displayed during voting...sometimes you just go for a certain level of abstraction and you get comments as ...i don't know as this one fits the challenge...or was this deliberate...and so on...i'm new on this site (only 3 submissions) but still i have a point here...
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06/03/2004 05:18:10 PM · #32 |
Using your skydiving analogy, it seems that almost anything could be a team sport.
I don't know how I feel about the pilot and skydiver being a team (in my mind, the skydiver is doing the sport, and it CAN be done without a partner skydiver). So to me, what differenciates a team sport from any other kind of sport is this: if you can do it alone, without a partner and not for the 'win' then it's not really a team sport. If you cannot do it alone and one side must win, then it's a team sport. That's just my opinion.
I voted very liberally by the way, even the skydiver got some points for a nice photo. I just personally don't think photos of that nature meet the challenge (very well). I hope you can respect my opinion. I can see your points as well. :) |
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06/03/2004 05:27:38 PM · #33 |
| maybe we should get a sport dictionary to figure out here...volleyball is a team sport, right?...but is beach volleyball (just 2 players) a sport team?...i think so...but double tennis?...i think not...:-) |
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06/03/2004 05:29:45 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
Using your skydiving analogy, it seems that almost anything could be a team sport.
I don't know how I feel about the pilot and skydiver being a team (in my mind, the skydiver is doing the sport, and it CAN be done without a partner skydiver). So to me, what differenciates a team sport from any other kind of sport is this: if you can do it alone, without a partner and not for the 'win' then it's not really a team sport. If you cannot do it alone and one side must win, then it's a team sport. That's just my opinion.
I voted very liberally by the way, even the skydiver got some points for a nice photo. I just personally don't think photos of that nature meet the challenge (very well). I hope you can respect my opinion. I can see your points as well. :) |
so if i understand you correctly, then since you can play tennis with just you and an opponent - so it is not a team sport? If that is so, then basketball, whcich can be played one on one, is not a team sport. Nor is bowling, rowing, cycling, volleyball ...
or look at it this way - since my high school had a debate team and a chess team, are they team sports? My wife would claim cheerleading to be a sport as well.
I guess nothing is cut and dried. At least i saw no gratuitous cat or flower pics - this must be a first!
BTW, I am racking up comments like never before - 165 votes and 14 comments. A few are even favorable! LOL
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06/03/2004 05:37:25 PM · #35 |
i found this definition on a on-line english dictionary
team sport :
n : a sport that involves competition between teams of players;
"baseball is a team sport by golf is not"
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06/03/2004 05:44:20 PM · #36 |
and now the cambridge definition of the word TEAM
a number of people who act together as a group, either in a sport or in order to achieve something
i think should be clear for everybody that while basketball is a sport team, when played 1 to 1 is not a team sport anymore...at least this is my oppinion...cheers
Message edited by author 2004-06-03 17:44:58. |
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06/03/2004 05:49:05 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by boogie:
and now the cambridge definition of the word TEAM
a number of people who act together as a group, either in a sport or in order to achieve something
i think should be clear for everybody that while basketball is a sport team, when played 1 to 1 is not a team sport anymore...at least this is my oppinion...cheers |
So how about tag-team wrestling, where only one competitor is (supposed to be) in the ring at one time? |
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06/03/2004 05:53:13 PM · #38 |
| is 100 m flat - athletics a team sport?...i don't think so...but is a relay 4x100 m flat race a team sport...it should be! |
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06/03/2004 05:53:35 PM · #39 |
Good points everyone. It always helps to have dialogue.
I feel that the English Definition:
team sport :
n : a sport that involves competition between teams of players;
"baseball is a team sport by golf is not"
is one that I quite agree with. Of course one can practice throwing the ball through the basketball hoop, but would that be "a game of basketball?" I think that it would not be a team sport without a team and without competition, as I stated earlier. So I see that skydiving and golf can have teams and competitions too. I would not discount a photo of a golf club or parachute... but how do you feel about a photo of grass or a sky, with no gear? I am not really sure I agree with that stretch. I think that's what I am really dealing with here, not so much the definition, especially now that I have heard from some very good thinkers. |
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06/03/2004 06:14:57 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by boogie:
i found this definition on a on-line english dictionary
team sport :
n : a sport that involves competition between teams of players;
"baseball is a team sport by golf is not" |
Golf can be a team sport. There are many different games in golf where you rely on other peoples shots by playing off one another. Many non-pro tournaments are played in this fashion.
Message edited by author 2004-06-03 18:16:04. |
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06/03/2004 06:37:39 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by boogie:
is 100 m flat - athletics a team sport?...i don't think so...but is a relay 4x100 m flat race a team sport...it should be! |
A track and field meet concludes with a winning team score, obtained by adding up (in weighted fashion) the scores of each of the team's members in the individual events.
There's a famous story of when the Carlisle Indian School traveled to another school for a track meet. Sent to meet the team at the train station, the host team's representative was puzzled when only two people got off the train, Jim Thorpe and a short pudgy guy.
The host asked "Are you two the whole team?"
The short guy answered "No, he's the team. I'm the equipment manager."
Thorpe won enough events to outscore the other team in the dual meet. |
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06/04/2004 02:16:34 PM · #42 |
I am getting a few hits for my pic not showing a team sport too. I'll follow up with my pic later...
- Here is my $.02 (Nothing to do with teams per se). If your life is in imminent danger then it is a sport (i.e. Motorsports, Aeronautical, extreme, etc.) Everything else is just a game!
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06/04/2004 03:24:09 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by G4Ds:
Golf can be a team sport. |
Just to throw in my 2¢... I consider a "team sport" to be one in which multiple participants (that is, at least 2) on the same team, are competing simultaneously and together against another set of participants on the other team. Soccer, football, baseball, basketball, hockey, la crosse, rugby, field hockey, etc. meet my definition of a "team sport". Tennis is one of those sports that can be a team sport or can't -- played as "singles", it is not a team sport. Played as "doubles" it is. Golf doesn't meet my definition since only one participants ball (per hole, anyway) is "in play" at any given time.
Message edited by author 2004-06-04 15:24:29. |
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06/04/2004 03:31:32 PM · #44 |
| So then, What would bowling be considered, if it were in league play? |
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06/04/2004 04:03:05 PM · #45 |
My personal definition of game vs. sport:
If you can smoke a cigarette WHILE you are performing the activity, then it is a game, not a sport. Darts, pool, bowling, golf, are games.
By the way, this did NOT factor into my voting for this challenge. :-) |
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06/04/2004 05:26:50 PM · #46 |
| The news is so hot they haven't even updated their own web site, but the University of California Golden Bears Men's Golf Team has just won the NCAA championship. I don't see the names of any players on the front page or leading the stories either .... congratulations! |
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06/04/2004 06:50:50 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by G4Ds:
Golf can be a team sport. |
Just to throw in my 2¢... I consider a "team sport" to be one in which multiple participants (that is, at least 2) on the same team, are competing simultaneously and together against another set of participants on the other team. Soccer, football, baseball, basketball, hockey, la crosse, rugby, field hockey, etc. meet my definition of a "team sport". Tennis is one of those sports that can be a team sport or can't -- played as "singles", it is not a team sport. Played as "doubles" it is. Golf doesn't meet my definition since only one participants ball (per hole, anyway) is "in play" at any given time. |
Might only be one ball but between two or more golfers playing for the best score on the same team seems to make it a team effort. Therefore in my opinoin it is a team sport.
"multiple participants (that is, at least 2) on the same team, are competing simultaneously and together against another set of participants on the other team."
Isn't this what you are doing when you play on a golf team?
Message edited by author 2004-06-04 18:53:54. |
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06/04/2004 09:35:34 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Zal:
My personal definition of game vs. sport:
If you can smoke a cigarette WHILE you are performing the activity, then it is a game, not a sport. Darts, pool, bowling, golf, are games.
By the way, this did NOT factor into my voting for this challenge. :-) |
Unless you are super coordinated and can dangle the thing in your mouth, you cannot smoke a cigarette while bowling. It takes two hands to bowl the ball! |
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06/05/2004 02:06:00 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by G4Ds:
Golf can be a team sport. |
Just to throw in my 2¢... I consider a "team sport" to be one in which multiple participants (that is, at least 2) on the same team, are competing simultaneously and together against another set of participants on the other team. Soccer, football, baseball, basketball, hockey, la crosse, rugby, field hockey, etc. meet my definition of a "team sport". Tennis is one of those sports that can be a team sport or can't -- played as "singles", it is not a team sport. Played as "doubles" it is. Golf doesn't meet my definition since only one participants ball (per hole, anyway) is "in play" at any given time. |
Are you familiar with "best ball" tournaments?
-Terry
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06/05/2004 02:34:19 AM · #50 |
I think there are some very nice pics in this challenge and granted, some do not meet the challenge exactly. (mainly due to peoples interpretation of TEAM). I was away and missed the chance to enter my picture but just for the record it was a picture of a taught tug-of-war rope with the red ribbon hanging down towards the white line on the ground, I used de-sat to remove all but the red colour of the ribbon. but anyway... too late is too late and I made an extra effort with the new challenge ' Waiting '.
Good luck to all who entered, as I say, I had a look at the entries was very pleased with all the wonderful ideas and photographs i saw. I am considering also becoming a full member when i get a few minutes to myself.... work-work-work and more work.
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