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09/02/2015 03:20:36 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Yet here we areâ¦..agreeing on so much, though I doubt youâll admit that thatâs true. |
I think both of you might benefit from reviewing Forum Rule 13.
I think you "agree" on virtually everything and can stop (intentionally or unintentionally) using language designed to irritate and provoke right now and make a lot more "progress" ... |
I have in no way violated Forum Rule 13. Otherwise, I would have been somehow punished, or sanctioned, or reprimanded, or whatever the hell they do on DPC to spank you.
I think Jeb knows I have no personal animosity towards him, or anyone else. I've never met ANY of you.
I'm stating personal observations and opinions based upon my own POV, just as he is. Do you somehow think "debates" should be fragrant and flowery with rosy glows in all the corners? Go to a garden party! |
I think a case can be made that you just violated Forum Rule 12 -- please don't make me make it ... |
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09/02/2015 03:27:15 PM · #102 |
| its Rant for a reason, let them argue or lock it down, jeez. |
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09/02/2015 04:04:27 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Remind me how that whole gun control thing is working out for you in France. I seem to recall several mass shootings there recently. In fact, the most recent, if I recall correctly, was stopped by a group of Americans. |
I would not want to bet the farm on this one  Cory but I seem to recall that there was also a Brit involved in the fray along with two USA serviceman.
As far as control goes, if I was in charge of the ammunition, eventually most people would end up using their guns as clubs... much less dangerous. :O)
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09/02/2015 04:50:29 PM · #104 |
"I think a case can be made that you just violated Forum Rule 12 -- please don't make me make it ..."
I can't MAKE you do anything, Paul. If you're gonna run to the principal's office, do it. If you'd like to join the discussion, do it. But, your threats are just silly. Where are we.....the playground and I'm the bully? Good grief. |
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09/02/2015 05:51:29 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
"I think a case can be made that you just violated Forum Rule 12 -- please don't make me make it ..."
I can't MAKE you do anything, Paul. If you're gonna run to the principal's office, do it. If you'd like to join the discussion, do it. But, your threats are just silly. Where are we.....the playground and I'm the bully? Good grief. |
Are you just naturally rude and boorish or do you have to practice frequently? |
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09/02/2015 06:30:32 PM · #106 |
"Are you just naturally rude and boorish or do you have to practice frequently?"
You just attacked me personally. Name-calling means I can invoke my DPC privilege to report you for breaking Rules #11 and #12.
Now, isn't that silly? STOP, okay? If you want to support Jeb, he'd probably love to see that happen. He showed a ton of courage on this thread. I hope you'll say something nice to him if you haven't already. |
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09/02/2015 10:53:05 PM · #107 |
Unlike yourself, I have no problem with Jeb (he was my DPL teammate) ...
I didn't attack you -- I asked a legitimate question based on my observations of your online behavior and techniques. But if you felt "attacked" the proper DPC procedure is to use the "Report Post" button link and not respond to me at all (again see Forum Rule 13).
FWIW I agree with virtually all of your positions regarding gun violence, just not with your methods of persuasion or communication techniques -- I think the language tends to undermine and obscure the message. |
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09/02/2015 11:48:09 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Unlike yourself, I have no problem with Jeb (he was my DPL teammate) ...
I didn't attack you -- I asked a legitimate question based on my observations of your online behavior and techniques. But if you felt "attacked" the proper DPC procedure is to use the "Report Post" button link and not respond to me at all (again see Forum Rule 13).
FWIW I agree with virtually all of your positions regarding gun violence, just not with your methods of persuasion or communication techniques -- I think the language tends to undermine and obscure the message. |
I have no problem with Jeb, either. I'm pretty sure he has a problem with me.....as do you, apparently. This bothers me not at all....FWIW. Unlike you, I do not take offense when someone uninhibitedly speaks their mind honestly and succinctly. Nor, would I report anyone for ranting on a Rant thread. About the ONLY thing I'd report is if I suspected cheating in challenges. I hope you would, too.
But, I have to say, the number of men in these forums who seem so apoplectically threatened and obsessed with my badness is amazing. Must be the sensitive artistic nature of everyone here...and perhaps a fear of women. I dunno. Why don't you just ignore me? Scroll on past as it were. Wouldn't that be healthier for you? (See Forum Rule 13) |
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09/02/2015 11:55:46 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
//crickett.com/ Crickett Rifles - âQuality Firearms for Americaâs Youthâ - marketed to KIDS. In my state (2013) a five-year-old, given a Crickett Rifle for his birthday, shot and killed his two-year-old sister. Ruled âaccidentalâ, no charges filed. Coroner says: â"Just one of those crazy accidents." Funny, I see it as intentional murder by the parents, akin to locking your kid in a hot car all day. âOoops...I forgot she was in there!â
//www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/kentucky-accidential-shooting/index.html |
That's messed up. I had no idea. It makes zero sense to me that a child should be able to own a handgun. Though I understand the traditions involved in the masculine pursuits and coming of age rituals of a father teaching his son to hunt and shoot, on no level should the firearms be in the possession of a youth without said parent's guardianship with full liability taken.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
That's not the question.....don't be pedantic. Why hasn't this been addressed before in a serious manner? Just as older persons are required to have their medical fitness to drive checked, why not people evaluated on their qualification to own a firearm? |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Shouldnât you be asking these questions to your members of congress? Especially those owned by the NRA? |
Hell yes! I do! If you'll remember back a few posts I opioned that of any group, the NRA should be at the forefront of sensible, responsible gun ownership and the advocates ofpunishment for outlaw gun crimes. How can a group that claims to be working for the greater good be the greatest impediment to reason & sense? I don't get it. Personally, I can't stand the NRA. They're senseless extremists.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Any of us nobodies can scream about âfitnessâ for gun-ownership till weâre blue in the face and what we get back, even from the DPC crowd is that weâre (quoting your words, Jebâ¦..) insulting, insensitive, a jerk, mean, unreasonable, unpleasant, narrow, misinformed, irrational, incorrect, offensive, clueless, inflammatory, ignorant, and not worth the effort. |
This is a twofold issue. I hear too many people pleading for all firearms to be outlawed. That's not a reasonable start......it's an all or nothing stance that is untenable, and it's not reasonable at the point where we are right now. One side says my way, and the other side says.......surprise! My way. That's been shown to be a non-starter. There must be a willingness on both sides to agree that certain things need attention and start there. Baby steps.
The second part of your statement is pretty much unfair. Those of you who would like to see steps taken are very much correct. But again......baby steps. You're not nobodies, but by the same token, you who want all guns banned are merely the polar opposite from the people who say that just having to register all guns means that Big Brother will take all their guns away.
As to some of my comments....yeah, I said you were many of those things upon being called a blood-thirsty savage, a killer for the love of killing, as well as impugning my character when you, by your own admission here recently, don't even know me. You tarred me with the same brush as the people who state that all Muslims are like Osama. That's not right, and I called you on it.
Honestly, I would hope that despite what seemed to be some pretty vitriolic exchanges during some of these discussions you may have realized that not all gun owners are violent killers and militant lunatics. Some of us are just garden variety eccentrics.
One of the things that shook me up the most was the way you went after some of the people here whom I know to be some of the most decent and kind people I've had the pleasure of meeting. I actually was offended in a big way for some of these people who are quite meaningful to me.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Yet here we areâ¦..agreeing on so much, though I doubt youâll admit that thatâs true. None of it matters....as long as everyone supports you in your effort to be better in every way you want to be. |
See? You've already decided that I cannot see and respond to reasonable discourse. Why wouldn't I admit that we have a lot in common if we're discussing a problem open to the possibilities of solution? I proposed that there's a flaw in the system that would let me buy a handgun in the first place.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
It thrills me to death youâre taking these steps (whatever they are in addition to losing the gun). |
Not totally following you, but I'm assuming you're talking about the fact that I've been concerned about the gun problem for quite some time. Though truly, I see it as more of a qualifying gun owners issue. Truly, guns don't kill people....wack jobs, mentally unstable, and stupid people kill others with guns.
How about if we work toward filtering out some of them with processes of taking up slack where we can? Put plans in place to start making owners more responsible.......require new sales to register and be accountable for their weapons. I've heard the old, "If we have to register the guns, then the guvmint will know where to come take them away." So what? Seriously????? 80 bazillion guns out there in the private hands of citizens and the same guvmint that can't keep track of taxes they want is gonna swoop in and take all the guns????? Riiiiiiiight!
Again.....some compromise and baby steps. Why not some psychological profiling? You think anyone unstable should be able to buy a gun anytime anywhere? *I* don't! I know why that shouldn't happen.
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Iâm sure all the DPC peeps who are NOT responding on this thread feel the same, too. Youâll succeed wonderfully, of course, because you have the courage to own your stuff and be open about it. They say thatâs the first step. For what itâs worth, Iâm really, really happy about it (and that you reached out to your DPC family). |
Yah, yah......like I said, this truly wasn't intended to be about me at all. The fact that you have now seen how some of us are about this family, maybe you'll realize that this is a wonderful and powerful place. You have no idea about all that goes on here. Books have been published, causes seriously supported, I know of at least one person who was talked down from the proverbial ledge, the laughter, tears, angst, hard work, the love and the giving.....that's what really makes this a special place, that this community gives, lovingly and unconditionally to each other. Many of these people, and their recipients, would not recognize each other if they bumped into them at a grocery store. But yet there is a bond here that has helped many, many people in the decade I've been around. And I've seen a lot of people learn, grow, and change how they feel and act towards the world around them because of how this family is to its own. I have received more from this place as far as enrichment to my life than I could ever express, much less ever pay back. Yet I knw what I have to do more than anything is to pay it forward. I do my best, and hope that it makes a difference.
Get to really know us Lucie.......we're something special.
So how about if we start a thread where we could knock around intelligent ideas, real proposals with some teeth to them that could be started out at a grass roots level. I'm in!
Message edited by author 2015-09-03 06:34:50.
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09/03/2015 12:11:12 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
I have no problem with Jeb, either. I'm pretty sure he has a problem with me.....as do you, apparently. This bothers me not at all....FWIW. Unlike you, I do not take offense when someone uninhibitedly speaks their mind honestly and succinctly. Nor, would I report anyone for ranting on a Rant thread. About the ONLY thing I'd report is if I suspected cheating in challenges. I hope you would, too.
But, I have to say, the number of men in these forums who seem so apoplectically threatened and obsessed with my badness is amazing. Must be the sensitive artistic nature of everyone here...and perhaps a fear of women. I dunno. Why don't you just ignore me? Scroll on past as it were. Wouldn't that be healthier for you? (See Forum Rule 13) |
Part of the problem is you throw in these little zingers.......I don't have a problem with you.....I do NOT care much for the way you express yourself in a wholly confrontational and antagonistic way. You just stated that you hope I'm going to be okay, that you "caught" me agreeing with you, and then you assumed that I, for some reason YOU have produced, wouldn't admit that. Why?
Fear of women? That's truly funny in my case. My mother was my best friend until she died when I was 20. I learned so much about women, who they are, and what they're about because the dominant male in my life terrorized me. I learned about life from her. I grew up with a real disdain of typical masculine behavior and abhorred the results of the male ego as it is typically categorized. My mother taught me first and foremost, women are individuals.....treat them as such, respect them as such, and you'll never have issues with them. I don't generally, not to mention that I've avoided many simply by being sensitive to the fact that many women have been treated badly by men in their lives. So I'm usually more careful in beginning relationships, and I'm simply talking friendship, that my motives and actions are not called into question.
Rarely have I felt threatened. I'm more right-brained than left which also in a lot of ways seems to make me less of a threat to most women......and in most cases, more easily accepted. As an individual.
At this point, since you're not so much foaming at the mouth, I'll admit to a certain amount of curiosity as to why you started out by leaping into the room with a Valkyrie shriek swinging a bloodied mace.......8~)
Couldn't you just have said "Hello, I'm Lucie, and I don't much agree with your stance."?
ETA: Pretty cat, BTW.....
Message edited by author 2015-09-03 06:39:27.
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09/03/2015 10:00:08 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Why don't you just ignore me? |
Only sensible thing she's ever said. Great advice even. |
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09/03/2015 12:19:58 PM · #112 |
âPart of the problem is you throw in these little zingers.....I do NOT care much for the way you express yourself in a wholly confrontational and antagonistic wayâ¦â¦..You "caught" me agreeing with you, and then you assumed that Iâ¦â¦ wouldn't admit that. Why?â
An assumption based on past NikonJeb posts denigrating everything from my character to my mental state (many of which I re-posted prior to this one). And, the fact you donât want me looking at your images, or coming in to your galleryâ¦..etc. From your snarling, I was pretty well convinced of your loathing. Which, ironically, kinda makes you as mean and hateful as I am!
Why would you admit agreeing with me on anything? Maybe for the same reason Iâd admit agreeing with you on somethingâ¦â¦which makes both of us perfectly nice adult-type people.
âI'll admit to a certain amount of curiosity as to why you started out by leaping into the room with a Valkyrie shriek swinging a bloodied maceâ
If youâre talking about the Gun Issue, itâs because my feelings about the complexities of life and the saving or taking of that life are just that: complex. I react strongly to EVERYthing that enters my world and I offer no apologies for that. You have the freedom to react to me however you wish. You did.... (which I respect) every bit as vehemently and as insultingly as I did. I hold no grudges and welcome the integrity of raw emotion and expression. âDo unto othersâ¦.â is a magnificent lesson in gaining peace. I really DONâT mind if someone âinsultsâ me as long as itâs their truth. Real is best. Always.
Your comments on your DPC family were extremely touching. I was thoroughly warmed by them and felt your sincerity in your words. Iâve only been around DPC since February and really only know one of you so far. I couldnât BE more impressed with so many things about the siteâ¦â¦the professional quality, the efficiency, the talent, the longevity (!!), the diversity, the advice, the opportunities to discuss anything other than photography, the fairness and dedication of the site councilâ¦â¦..truly, I âget itâ, Iâm sure they ARE special, and if it offers a âhome away from homeâ or simply IS home to someone, itâs just plain awesome. Social media communities are so, so very good for so many.
No, Iâm not a monster. There are actually people in the world who live contentedly in my home with me, who love me, hold me, and laugh at me when I cry over something they think is stupid. So, againâ¦â¦Iâd like to be your friend. But, I wonât be whoever you want me to be just to be your friend. Nor would I want that from you, because then you wouldnât be you. Right?
âhow about if we start a thread where we could knock around intelligent ideas, real proposals with some teeth to them that could be started out at a grass roots level. I'm in!â
Me, too! Iâve never started a grass roots anything. Do you know where to begin? Is a thread enough?
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09/03/2015 12:21:09 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Why don't you just ignore me? |
Only sensible thing she's ever said. Great advice even. |
Cory, on another thread you said: âI'm seriously considering just ignoring you.â Yet, here you are. Still. Glad you decided you couldnât live without me. Wanna join Jeb and me in doing something meaningful?
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09/03/2015 12:23:15 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Get to really know us Lucie.......we're something special.
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Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Get to really know us Lucie.......we're something special.
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Indeed... I have never ceased to marvel at just how involved and supportive this community is. I have seen incredible amounts of love, dedication, assistance, support and caring exhibited by members of this family called DPC.
From providing emotional and/or financial support, the purchasing memberships for less fortunate folks, to the interactions with people such as some of the souls who have gone to the great beyond... this truly is a very special place.
We are family and it is because of these reasons that we occasionally bare our teeth and snarl at some newcomers who might try to make a point by demeaning the views expressed by our friends through the use of vitriol.
There is nothing wrong with expressing views that run counter to those espoused by others, but surely a modicum of decorum should prevail even in the most contentious of discussions.
Ray
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09/03/2015 12:38:34 PM · #115 |
"a modicum of decorum should prevail even in the most contentious of discussions. "
I'll try if you will. But, if you say something I don't like, don't agree with, is untrue, or that I think is idiotic or otherwise completely asinine, I'm gonna call you on it. You can do the same. Deal? |
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09/03/2015 12:48:18 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
"a modicum of decorum should prevail even in the most contentious of discussions. "
I'll try if you will. But, if you say something I don't like, don't agree with, is untrue, or that I think is idiotic or otherwise completely asinine, I'm gonna call you on it. You can do the same. Deal? |
I do believe that you have already clearly demonstrated which line of thinking you ascribe to and what mechanisms you opt for to counter arguments that run counter to your beliefs and for that reason I will be passing up your kind offer.
Ray
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09/03/2015 12:54:18 PM · #117 |
"I do believe that you have already clearly demonstrated which line of thinking you ascribe to and what mechanisms you opt for to counter arguments that run counter to your beliefs and for that reason I will be passing up your kind offer. "
Why's that? |
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09/03/2015 01:06:54 PM · #118 |
| We could have a challenge called "The Hug" special rule: one person involved in the hug must be wearing a gun. |
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09/03/2015 01:12:36 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Why don't you just ignore me? |
Only sensible thing she's ever said. Great advice even. |
Cory, on another thread you said: âI'm seriously considering just ignoring you.â Yet, here you are. Still. Glad you decided you couldnât live without me. Wanna join Jeb and me in doing something meaningful? |
Item A: I should have said "Not responding" instead of ignore. I don't ignore much. (and I do realize the irony in responding to this, but clarification was appropriate and needed here)
Item B: You're almost acting human lately, I may eventually reconsider, hell you haven't even been displaying a weird obsession with genitalia lately.
Item C: Not even a chance of me supporting any of this. If you'd like to do something, I can put you in touch with a great new organization out of New York, New York that is operated by a friend of mine. (shocker huh? I'm actually friends with the owner/director of a gun control foundation) |
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09/03/2015 01:13:38 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by jagar:
We could have a challenge called "The Hug" special rule: one person involved in the hug must be wearing a gun. |
Hug this. ;-)
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09/03/2015 01:13:52 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by jagar:
We could have a challenge called "The Hug" special rule: one person involved in the hug must be wearing a gun. |
{{snort}} I didn't wanna laugh at that.... |
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09/03/2015 01:21:36 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
We could have a challenge called "The Hug" special rule: one person involved in the hug must be wearing a gun. |
Hug this. ;-)
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Careful now Cory, I'm always wearing mine. |
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09/03/2015 01:24:42 PM · #123 |
âyou haven't even been displaying a weird obsession with genitalia latelyâ
If you only knewâ¦â¦â¦{{snort}} I always bring up genitalia because it gets menâs attention like nothing else, especially if something violent is the topic of conversation. Perhaps you noticed.....
âNot even a chance of me supporting any of this.â
Why? Any of what....? A grass roots effort to enact some meaningful gun control? Please explain as SPECIFICALLY as you can so there are no questions as to where you stand....? (not trying to start a fight....I promise!)
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09/03/2015 04:19:03 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Not even a chance of me supporting any of this. |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Why? Any of what....? A grass roots effort to enact some meaningful gun control? Please explain as SPECIFICALLY as you can so there are no questions as to where you stand....? (not trying to start a fight....I promise!) |
Cory, why would you blanket reject this idea before it's even started? Are you seriously telling me you think unqualified and/or mentally unstable people should be able to purchase firearms? They can now, but you think that's a good idea? Wouldn't you feel better knowing that in order for someone to buy a handgun that there was some form of vetting process?
You really feel that there should be no sensible, reasonable qualifiers to gun ownership, expecially for the guns that are more dangerous than a bolt action rifle, i.e., semi-automatic rifles & pistols?
Have you no interest at all in doing anything that might make a change for the better?
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09/03/2015 04:21:35 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by jagar:
We could have a challenge called "The Hug" special rule: one person involved in the hug must be wearing a gun. |
Originally posted by Cory:
Hug this. ;-)
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No hugs needed here.......we'll take you from across the way!
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