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07/27/2015 08:39:46 AM · #1
Lets take the idea that came out early in the "art/technical/voting" discussion threads (I think it was Mike's suggestion) to run a concurrent challenge in each editing set.
Pick the same topic for each, let people choose which they want to edit under and submit (Basic, Advanced and Expert).
This should not be a free study, but have a defined topic, whether technical or artistic, I am not sure what would work best, though I think the abstract word "Light" could be either artistic or technical enough to allow it to be interpreted into the technical or artistic muse in us.

I don't know if the site can handle a 3-way challenge split like this, I know we've done it with 2-part for things like Summer/Winter, it shouldn't be that much harder to add a 3rd option.
As far as the names for the actual challenge (since I'm sure that matters) we could just call them "Basic (Light)", "Advanced (Light)", "Expert (Light)".
07/27/2015 11:29:00 AM · #2
It wouldn't be hard to SCHEDULE three at the same time. The harder part would be to make them exclusive, so you were prohibited from entering more than one... Also, "Basic" is a defunct ruleset now, we don't use it anymore. There's functionally very little difference between Basic and Advanced now, with all the plugins. So the third ruleset in the trio would be Minimal.
07/27/2015 11:35:29 AM · #3
Right...should've checked ruleset names first...people know what is meant though.
still, can we fix the title?

As far as exclusive, we have the code for the two options that has been run, can it not be easily edited for another option to add in a list?
i assumed it could since the functionality exists for two. Even still, running two for the same theme could work if three doesn't. Since advanced and expert vary in composition and number of separate frames but minimal varies greatly from both, maybe run minimal/expert as the two and people can still make advanced editing images in expert ruleset.
07/27/2015 01:02:59 PM · #4
If coding changes are problematic, consider this option:

Run a single "Open Ruleset" challenge. Have participants include their selected ruleset in the title like this: MyPhotoTitle [Expert]

The challenge will still have an overall winner by points (consider it the "sweepstakes ribbon." Then, by ancient analog process, a list of winners in subcategories (rulesets) would be created and top three (five?) in each would be recognized in a special forum post - like we've done with Fine Art juries.

One challenge. Traditional front page by points, and forum recognition by ruleset.
07/27/2015 02:41:42 PM · #5
I'm more concerned about the number of entries if we split this up as proposed. There are currently only a handful of vocal members who support expert. If we were still getting ov err r 100 entries per challenge, it might make more sense.

There's also the issue of voting. Would we be required to vote on all 3?
07/27/2015 06:24:00 PM · #6
Originally posted by RyanW:

Lets take the idea that came out early in the "art/technical/voting" discussion threads (I think it was Mike's suggestion) to run a concurrent challenge in each editing set.
Pick the same topic for each, let people choose which they want to edit under and submit (Basic, Advanced and Expert).
This should not be a free study, but have a defined topic, whether technical or artistic, I am not sure what would work best, though I think the abstract word "Light" could be either artistic or technical enough to allow it to be interpreted into the technical or artistic muse in us.

I don't know if the site can handle a 3-way challenge split like this, I know we've done it with 2-part for things like Summer/Winter, it shouldn't be that much harder to add a 3rd option.
As far as the names for the actual challenge (since I'm sure that matters) we could just call them "Basic (Light)", "Advanced (Light)", "Expert (Light)".


One suggestion was to run them all in the same challenge, mine was to run them consecutively, with the same challenge but the editing level going from Minimal to Advanced to Expert. No special code or anything, only the extra rule that you have to submit the SAME image in each challenge, and only the editing rules change. You would also want to use a topic that isn't tailored to the expert challenge like the current Alien one. The goal is not to enter one of the challenges, but all of them (ideally) and see how your vision changes with the editing restrictions relaxed over each challenge.
07/27/2015 07:30:50 PM · #7
Interesting experiment but I don't think the placement would change much between the challenges. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.
07/27/2015 08:00:07 PM · #8
Originally posted by MarkB:

Interesting experiment but I don't think the placement would change much between the challenges. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.


I would expect to see the major changes between Minimal and Advanced. Expert would either create something drastically different, or have hardly any change from advanced, maybe some cleanup that you can't do in advanced. Part of the challenge would be to pick something that could work well under all challenges.
07/28/2015 08:08:53 AM · #9
i dont think i suggested this idea but anyway..

what if you made it one challenge with expert editing, everyone submits their entry and in the notes we put the editing set we used. someone could pull out the top three for each editing set.
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