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05/27/2004 12:01:25 AM · #26 |
Pretty soon there will be law in force that you can not place a church within 500 yards of a school because it would be a bad influence on the school. The way they do it with gentlemans bars.
To me its an absolute joke, people trying to make something out of nothing. I mean, I am not very religous, but this is asinine.
If your really concerned about seperation of church and state....go read your one dollar bill. I am sure that will certainly infuriate you.
/In god we trust
Feh...nit pickers that have nothing better to do. |
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05/27/2004 12:05:12 AM · #27 |
I am all in favor of separation of church and state. However, I am completely and strongly against the separation of God and state. Those two things are very different, and the ACLU has definitely confused them.
By the way, my religion does not necessarily revere the symbol of the cross. However, I have never been, nor will I ever be, offended because other people, including the settlers of California, hold it in high regard. I'm glad that they hold to their beliefs, and I'm glad to see people following their beliefs, whether it be to wear a cross around their neck, or light the menorah during Hanukah, or kneel and pray facing the east.
And, I feel better knowing we have a President who prays for the safety of our troops in Iraq, and the security and well-being of the citizens. I pray for those same things.
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05/27/2004 12:13:29 AM · #28 |
Give me a break...
Originally posted by StevePax:
And, I feel better knowing we have a President who prays for the safety of our troops in Iraq, and the security and well-being of the citizens. I pray for those same things. |
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05/27/2004 12:20:02 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
...incorporation of religious icons into our government ... marginalizes the beliefs of those who do not observe that religion. It sends a message that those people are not represented, or are less represented by that government.... |
That is such fucking bull shit. I'm Catholic, and seeing marks of other religions don't do this to me or any other person I know of. This is a made up argument and is hog wash. |
The fact that you disagree with this argument does not make it, as you state, "fucking bull shit." A Catholic is far less likely to be marginalized or offended by the presence a Christian symbol than a non-Christian (whether Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, atheist, Wiccan or whatever else).
Originally posted by Russell2566:
The cross in the LA crest doesn't offend a single person on earth, aside from maybe Muslims who want to kill or convert anyone who's not Muslim... |
I can tell you that I personally HAVE been offended by the presence of religious symbols in government facilities.
Please also use care in wording your statements... which to this point they have the appearance of characterizing Muslims as second-class citizens. I doubt that is your intent, to please be carful. In the unlikely event that it IS your intent, please be reminded the site Terms of Use (including section 4.2(v) do apply even in the Rant folder.
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Are you seriously suggesting that Muslim citizens are less deserving of equal protection under the law than any other citizens |
No simply that the ACLU is fight to rid as many things Christian as possible while giving a free pass or fighting for anything Muslim. The ACLU has been fighting for the right for Muslim women to cover their entire face for drivers license, prayer in school, public prayer via permanent speakers (already in several neighborhoods)...
Meanwhile they fight to get a teacher in PA fired for wearing a cross, city names to be changed that are to Christian, crosses to be removed from historical markers, signs or crests, disallowing solo Christian prayer or student Christian led prayer in schoolsâ€Â¦ |
As to the driver license issue, many states (including Pennsylvania, where I live) do allow non-photo drivers licenses for those whose religions prohibit them from having their picture taken. This seems a natural extension of that. I can't really speak to the other issues, since I have not suffucuently researched the facts that surround them.
-Terry
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05/27/2004 12:20:06 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
I'm Catholic |
that explains so much.. thanks. |
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05/27/2004 12:23:14 AM · #31 |
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05/27/2004 12:24:50 AM · #32 |
| As Club pointed out, this is the rant, and it is "unmoderated," but TOS do still apply. Also, the common curtesy of holding at least a superficial amount of respect for other posters. ie -- no name calling. Just a friendly reminder. |
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05/27/2004 12:25:36 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by karmat:
As Club pointed out, this is the rant, and it is "unmoderated," but TOS do still apply. Also, the common curtesy of holding at least a superficial amount of respect for other posters. ie -- no name calling. Just a friendly reminder. |
YES! THANK YOU! |
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05/27/2004 12:26:18 AM · #34 |
//www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=15507&c=29
Perhaps this is a different ACLU? The list is much longer if needed.
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 00:27:23. |
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05/27/2004 12:28:59 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
If your really concerned about seperation of church and state....go read your one dollar bill. I am sure that will certainly infuriate you.
/In god we trust |
This was not added until 1964, shortly after "one nation under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. "In God We Trust" was first printed on US currency by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing on January 23, 1964, the notes were delivered to the Federal Reserve Banks for issue on March 2 of that same year.
-Terry
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05/27/2004 12:31:41 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
I'm Catholic |
that explains so much.. thanks. |
You lost me here...
-Terry
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05/27/2004 12:36:38 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
I'm Catholic |
that explains so much.. thanks. |
You lost me here...
-Terry |
Me too... I'm pretty sure it was hate filled though. I'm offended... I'm sure this violates TOS rules some where :)
edit: added smily face for those who don't have a sense of humor and or really do hate me because I'm christian (caugh caugh MadMordegon...)
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 00:37:49.
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05/27/2004 12:40:56 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Me too... I'm pretty sure it was hate filled though. I'm offended... I'm sure this violates TOS rules some where :) |
And if it does, we'll deal with it. You're not exactly in a position to be calling people out on TOS issues right now.
-Terry
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05/27/2004 12:42:06 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Me too... I'm pretty sure it was hate filled though. I'm offended... I'm sure this violates TOS rules some where :) |
And if it does, we'll deal with it. You're not exactly in a position to be calling people out on TOS issues right now.
-Terry |
Reading isn't one of your stronger attributes is it?
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 00:42:44.
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05/27/2004 12:44:08 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Me too... I'm pretty sure it was hate filled though. I'm offended... I'm sure this violates TOS rules some where :) |
And if it does, we'll deal with it. You're not exactly in a position to be calling people out on TOS issues right now.
-Terry |
Reading isn't one of your stronger attributes is it? |
Excuse me?
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05/27/2004 12:44:49 AM · #41 |
There appear to be several religions represented in here who advocate or even encourage disparaging remarks towards other people and their beliefs.
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05/27/2004 12:51:01 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Reading isn't one of your stronger attributes is it? |
That's a very funny statement coming from someone who has a huge problem with spelling. |
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05/27/2004 01:00:08 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Reading isn't one of your stronger attributes is it? |
That's a very funny statement coming from someone who has a huge problem with spelling. |
No it's not. Spelling, which I've always been poor at, can't be compared to not being able to read. Someone who is 50 should know this by now.
edit:
And for those who are still in the dark, maybe you should re-read my post, especially the end end)!
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 01:01:44.
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05/27/2004 01:00:57 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
No it's not. Spelling, which I've always been poor at, can't be compared to not being able to read. Someone who is 50 should know this by now. |
What can I supposedly not read?
-Terry
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05/27/2004 01:03:26 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
No it's not. Spelling, which I've always been poor at, can't be compared to not being able to read. Someone who is 50 should know this by now. |
What can I supposedly not read?
-Terry |
Because if you made the effort to read my post you would notice the big dislaimer to the TOS comment.... Heck, you even had to cut it out when you replied to me!!!
You would also be hard pressed to show I broke TOS, but you threatened me, or someone else did on page 1...
edit: bed time kiddies, not more reverting back to 3rd grade untill tommorrow for me!
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 01:08:17.
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05/27/2004 01:08:18 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Because if you made the effort to read my post you would notice the big dislaimer to the TOS comment.... |
I noticed it... I also noticed it was immediately followed by a personal attach on MadMordegon... so I didn't consider it much of a disclaimer.
One suggestion: If you wish to engage in intelligent debate, it is best to treat your opponents with the same level of courtesy and respect you expect to receive in return. You opponents are most likely to give thought to what you say when your arguments are presented in a respectful manner and are based in fact. When those same arguments are coupled with derogatory statements and personal attacks, you generally will not be taken seriously.
Of course, if your intent is to stir up a flame war, then all of the above is moot.
-Terry
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05/27/2004 01:14:14 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
I noticed it... I also noticed it was immediately followed by a personal attach on MadMordegon... so I didn't consider it much of a disclaimer. |
After he attacked me for being Catholic... If you can feel ofended by a picture, I can feel offended by his hatred...
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
One suggestion: If you wish to engage in intelligent debate, it is best to treat your opponents with the same level of courtesy and respect you expect to receive in return. |
I tried that, my conservative view didn't get many nice replies, so I stepped up the talk a little bit. BTW: I'm guess no one cared when it was the other way around!
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
You opponents are most likely to give thought to what you say when your arguments are presented in a respectful manner and are based in fact. When those same arguments are coupled with derogatory statements and personal attacks, you generally will not be taken seriously. |
Hell, some of you guys denounce me simply because I'm young. Yet I probably have more business and political experience than most of you! Notice I didn't say all of you for those awaiting to pounce on me!
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Of course, if your intent is to stir up a flame war, then all of the above is moot. |
Talking with people who agree with me is boring, and this is the rant section is it not?
Besides, anyone who is anti-war because they hate Bush probably suffers from cranial-rectum-itis and doesn't understand common sense or well educated view points.
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 01:15:55.
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05/27/2004 01:15:26 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
No it's not. Spelling, which I've always been poor at, can't be compared to not being able to read. Someone who is 50 should know this by now.
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At 50 I've learned I can make any comparison I like as most everything is a matter of opinion. As for your spelling, well yes it is very funny. The frequency of your problem points out your lack of being well educated. |
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05/27/2004 01:16:21 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
You would also be hard pressed to show I broke TOS, but you threatened me, or someone else did on page 1... |
You did get close enough that 2 members of Site Council (karmat and myself) felt it necessary to post a reminder.
I've also reread the thread and cannot see where anyone threatened you.
-Terry
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05/27/2004 01:19:40 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
No it's not. Spelling, which I've always been poor at, can't be compared to not being able to read. Someone who is 50 should know this by now.
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At 50 I've learned I can make any comparison I like as most everything is a matter of opinion. As for your spelling, well yes it is very funny. The frequency of your problem points out your lack of being well educated. |
No, your statment points out your childness... bad spelling and education don't go hand in hand. Why don't we go after something that matters! Should we compare resumes, IQ, Income or penis size?
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Being 23 and not 50 I'm guessing I've got #4 and I'd being willing to bank on the other 3... But then again, I'm just a stupid conservative who grew up poor and didn't go to college untill after I was successfull (for fun).
Message edited by author 2004-05-27 01:21:49.
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