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06/24/2015 12:28:26 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
I'd like to see the DPL in the future remove votes from all DPL team members when calculating the DPL ranking. So they would count for the site, but not for the DPL. |
That's pointless, because DPL rankings are based on placement, not scores. Even IF low DPL voters are driving average scores down, it's across the board and should have little or no effect on placement. |
"should have" is not empirical. As I said here or on the other thread, let's start with just showing the DPL Players Votes on each image too. If you're right, it should be roughly the same on all the images.
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06/24/2015 12:56:02 PM · #27 |
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06/24/2015 03:01:32 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by pearlseyes:
A lot of beautiful images in the challenge but I'm surprised how many shots are way too saturated and vibrant to meet the challenge IMO. One of my favorite images has me on the fence in regards to voting. I want to give them a 10 for being such a well executed shot and gorgeous photo but pastel is not what I think of when I look at it. Now I'm doubting what exactly is considered pastel. I was thinking desaturated colors that are soft and comforting. Thoughts on this? |
For me pastel isn't as much about saturation as it is about luminance. Grab any pastel color chart, pull it into Photoshop and click on the color picker tool. Every pastel color you choose is almost guaranteed to have a luminance value of 75 or higher on a scale of 0 (black) to 100 (white). Yes, the saturation tends to be low as well, usually under 40%, but when take that pastel color chart and saturate the heck out of it for the most part it will still look pastel. |
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06/24/2015 04:12:02 PM · #29 |
I'm doing my best to vote fairly. I think there is a lot of very nice images.
You have rated 42 of 185 images (23%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 42 of 185 images (23%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.7143. |
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06/24/2015 07:21:01 PM · #30 |
I just vote the way I always vote.
It's a game, folks, not the apocalypse.
You have rated 178 of 185 images (96%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.0449.[/b] |
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06/24/2015 07:39:29 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
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For me pastel isn't as much about saturation as it is about luminance. Grab any pastel color chart, pull it into Photoshop and click on the color picker tool. Every pastel color you choose is almost guaranteed to have a luminance value of 75 or higher on a scale of 0 (black) to 100 (white). Yes, the saturation tends to be low as well, usually under 40%, but when take that pastel color chart and saturate the heck out of it for the most part it will still look pastel. |
This was a learning moment for me. Nothing to do with voting or the challenge, but in terms of what I can "read" about my images in Photoshop. Thanks,  backdoorhippie
As far as the challenge, I have been through once but have not voted. I have done some commenting - trying to do batches of 10 in a row based on my random order as suggested by Deb - and I'm working on my own definition of "pastel". For me, it's hard for an image with lots of dark in it to break through. |
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06/24/2015 07:52:43 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
I just vote the way I always vote.
It's a game, folks, not the apocalypse.
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06/24/2015 11:20:44 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
For me pastel isn't as much about saturation as it is about luminance. Grab any pastel color chart, pull it into Photoshop and click on the color picker tool. Every pastel color you choose is almost guaranteed to have a luminance value of 75 or higher on a scale of 0 (black) to 100 (white). Yes, the saturation tends to be low as well, usually under 40%, but when take that pastel color chart and saturate the heck out of it for the most part it will still look pastel. |
Well stated. The easiest way to visualize "pastel" is to think "take any normal color and start adding white to it :-) |
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06/24/2015 11:26:51 PM · #34 |
| I happen to think there are some really stunning photos in this challenge. Pastel shades have always been my favourite colours so I really enjoyed viewing and voting on this challenge, haven't completely finished yet but I've picked my favourite by a mile and my second favourite. |
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06/25/2015 01:07:02 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by mindbottling:
Originally posted by sfalice:
I just vote the way I always vote.
It's a game, folks, not the apocalypse.
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ditto
mine keeps flopping now but only by a point or so |
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06/25/2015 05:26:36 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The easiest way to visualize "pastel" is to think "take any normal color and start adding white to it :-) |
Well stated yourself! That's exactly it... it's hue + varying degrees of white, which can range from pale and muted to bright depending on the white mix. |
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06/26/2015 02:44:02 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by nam:
I have done some commenting - trying to do batches of 10 in a row based on my random order as suggested by Deb - and I'm working on my own definition of "pastel". For me, it's hard for an image with lots of dark in it to break through. |
Kudos for doing the commenting challenge. I do however worry about working from your own definitions; we are all expected to bring our own preferences to judging submissions but I think people are viewing pastel too narrowly. Preference is fine but to cross the line of DNMC you can't just make up your own definition of a term that has real meaning in the world.
A bit from site that explains basic color theory "A Tint is sometimes called a Pastel. Basically it's simply any color with white added.
If you want to get a little more complicated, you can mix any of the twelve pure colors together.Then simply add any amount of white and you have created a pastel or tint of the mixture.
That means you can go from an extremely pale, nearly white to a barely tinted pure hue. Artists often add a tiny touch of white to a pure pigment to give the color some body. So for example a bright Red can quickly become a bright Pink."
So while you may like a pastel that is 99% white with just the barest hint of color, that does not mean that any color that is only 25% white is not a pastel. In fact in the world of house paints, any pastel with less than 15% color base is not a pastel at all, it is an off white.
So vote how you wish, but do not confuse what you prefer with what does and does not qualify as a pastel. And keep up the comments. |
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06/26/2015 08:23:17 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by nam:
I have done some commenting - trying to do batches of 10 in a row based on my random order as suggested by Deb - and I'm working on my own definition of "pastel". For me, it's hard for an image with lots of dark in it to break through. |
Kudos for doing the commenting challenge. I do however worry about working from your own definitions; we are all expected to bring our own preferences to judging submissions but I think people are viewing pastel too narrowly. Preference is fine but to cross the line of DNMC you can't just make up your own definition of a term that has real meaning in the world.
A bit from site that explains basic color theory "A Tint is sometimes called a Pastel. Basically it's simply any color with white added.
If you want to get a little more complicated, you can mix any of the twelve pure colors together.Then simply add any amount of white and you have created a pastel or tint of the mixture.
That means you can go from an extremely pale, nearly white to a barely tinted pure hue. Artists often add a tiny touch of white to a pure pigment to give the color some body. So for example a bright Red can quickly become a bright Pink."
So while you may like a pastel that is 99% white with just the barest hint of color, that does not mean that any color that is only 25% white is not a pastel. In fact in the world of house paints, any pastel with less than 15% color base is not a pastel at all, it is an off white.
So vote how you wish, but do not confuse what you prefer with what does and does not qualify as a pastel. And keep up the comments. |
Well said, if slightly hard to follow for someone whose never mixed paints or applied a brush to canvas.
So, if I follow correctly, if I were to replace "white" in your treatise with "luminance" or "luminosity" we could easily apply that to the set of colors in a digital palate. Every pure color, or mixture of pure colors, will have a luminance value. Increase that value by some perceptible level (in your example you said 25%, so let's go with that) and that color would, nay should be considered as a pastel, up to the point where the luminance value exceeds 85 (i.e. only 15% color).
That certainly plays into what I have found in mucking with pastel color palates in Photoshop. And I certainly agree, there's been far too much confusion on what is, and more specifically what is not a pastel in this challenge. To be well within the borders of what the knowing world considers "pastel" only to get comments stating "Really nice image, but these are way too bright for pastels" and taking a hit is disheartening.
It would be great to think that every person who was confused while voting would read this thread, do a bit of research and then go back and re-evaluate their DNMC votes... but I won't hold my breath. At least not to the point of turning a nice pastel blue. |
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06/26/2015 10:44:10 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
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It would be great to think that every person who was confused while voting would read this thread, do a bit of research and then go back and re-evaluate their DNMC votes... but I won't hold my breath. At least not to the point of turning a nice pastel blue. |
But the challenge is "Pastel". What am I to vote on in terms of meeting the challenge if not my definition of "pastel"? For me and, I think, for most voters, DNMC costs an image a point or two - not 10. So if my definition is too narrow - or too broad - by scientific or paint-mixing standards, it's not that big a deal. And as I said in my post that started this part of the "define pastel" discussion, for me "it's hard for an image with lots of dark in it to break through" so it's not the presence or absence of white that's the main player, it's the presence or absence of black - though I guess either is both or both are either or something LOL.
And BTW, I'm really enjoying the discussions of the physics of color and I'm learning a lot, too - just not much that would change my "voting definition" :) . |
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06/26/2015 11:05:59 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
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It would be great to think that every person who was confused while voting would read this thread, do a bit of research and then go back and re-evaluate their DNMC votes... but I won't hold my breath. At least not to the point of turning a nice pastel blue. |
But the challenge is "Pastel". What am I to vote on in terms of meeting the challenge if not my definition of "pastel"? For me and, I think, for most voters, DNMC costs an image a point or two - not 10. So if my definition is too narrow - or too broad - by scientific or paint-mixing standards, it's not that big a deal. And as I said in my post that started this part of the "define pastel" discussion, for me "it's hard for an image with lots of dark in it to break through" so it's not the presence or absence of white that's the main player, it's the presence or absence of black - though I guess either is both or both are either or something LOL.
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My point is, if after reading this treatise on what "Pastel" means from a physics-of-color standpoint it makes you reconsider YOUR idea of pastel then I would hope you'd revisit the voting with new eyes. If you walk away satisfied with your definition, I have no problem with that.
The question at issue, for me at least, is someone's definition of "pastel" is malformed more than it is narrow or broad? If so, that can make for some odd comments and, within the parameters of the challenge, unfortunate and frankly undeserved penalizations. Again, if light is shed on the definition (pun intended) and eyes opened, then voting should be revisited. Otherwise, we all reserve at some point our right to be right even when we're wrong. :) |
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06/27/2015 02:19:40 PM · #41 |
| 185 entries and 62 votes....... come on, put it out there!!!! |
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06/27/2015 02:25:08 PM · #42 |
| Neither my feather nor my pastel has had a single view or vote in 3 days... |
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06/27/2015 03:22:28 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Neither my feather nor my pastel has had a single view or vote in 3 days... |
That's 'cause everyone's looking at the Walrus :) |
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06/27/2015 06:01:39 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
185 entries and 62 votes....... come on, put it out there!!!! |
I have 59 votes........:-/ |
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06/27/2015 06:07:08 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Neither my feather nor my pastel has had a single view or vote in 3 days... |
I had one on my Pastel. I want to give it back. |
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06/27/2015 07:11:48 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Neither my feather nor my pastel has had a single view or vote in 3 days... |
Sad. I haven't had any more votes or views today. Still hoping participants (at least) will vote!
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06/27/2015 07:35:30 PM · #47 |
| I'm only just over 20% through and I will vote 100%. |
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06/27/2015 11:19:01 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by nam:
I'm only just over 20% through and I will vote 100%. |
thanks... hope others do the same |
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06/27/2015 11:24:08 PM · #49 |
I voted 100% but didn't comment on this one. Still working through Walrus. Will do my First Ten on the next DPL challenge.
I did find more to enjoy than apparently most did. My average score given is a point and a half higher than the score I'm receiving. |
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06/27/2015 11:35:18 PM · #50 |
| And Feathers is first, right? |
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