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 05/22/2004 01:12:50 AM · #1
what happened to brother on the opposites challenge?
 05/22/2004 01:13:45 AM · #2
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Message edited by author 2004-05-22 01:13:53.
 05/22/2004 01:16:59 AM · #3
No the question is why did it get DQ'ed? Wrong date??
 05/22/2004 06:00:01 AM · #4
Editing... Most of the image was in B/W but a feathered band of a few pixels at the top and bottom was in color.

-Terry
 05/22/2004 07:53:03 AM · #5
yep, it was accidently left on after I had used photoshop for something else, (guessing here but pretty sure) I rotated the pic then, must have selected the area i wanted to crop, then had kept that area selected when I channel mixed the photo into b&w. when I went back later to see if there was a feather, there was 3 pixels set for feather. I knew it looked a little off so I wanted to see if the site could switch it before any voting took place like 5 minutes into the vote date, but no-could-do. Anyway it does bother me a little as it was a completely unintential thing, very small, and added nothing to the image. actually it detracted from it; many users even commented on it. but in spite of it, it still won second place by votes of the community. I am glad though we have the rules and they that we have a committee of dedicated people to apply them. I just hope that they take things certain things into consideration, and not just look at the rules as: on or off, 0 or 1, and broken or not broken. I think you need to look further than that and determine why the rule was setup and if the pic breaks the spirit of those rules. I'm thinking they did and they did :)

Thanks though to all the great votes and comments left for the submission.

I do wonder though if the exif data (someone forgot to set cam date, or misset it) showed the wrong date for the challenge but the picture showed a verified date source in the shot, like twin towers being destroyed or front page of the ny times would they still dq it?
 05/22/2004 08:01:41 AM · #6
just curious but yall be the judge and check it out: look in my portfolio both the original submission (6697)and the rule corrected one (6697a) are there.
which one is the better photo?
 05/22/2004 08:23:32 AM · #7
It was an excellent submission... one to be proud of.. Too bad about the DQ - but I am glad you posted it again :)
I think they are equal except maybe the second version is sharper?
 05/22/2004 08:27:40 AM · #8
It looks to me like all you did was desaturate the image and left the feathered "color" there. I would just crop it off.

It is too bad that a distraction in your original that still placed second despite of it cost you a DQ.

Ribbon or not, it is still a terrific image!

Message edited by author 2004-05-22 08:28:05.
 05/22/2004 10:26:40 AM · #9
That seems so evidently an intentional mistake. I thought the reason they had a panel of judges for DQ's was so that this kind of thing could be discussed and determined on a case by case basis. Who in the world would have made that kind of adjustment on purpose? It's a shame?

Out of curiosity, are the judges completely non-biased in that they aren't entered in the challenges?
 05/22/2004 10:51:47 AM · #10
Originally posted by melismatica:
That seems so evidently an intentional mistake. I thought the reason they had a panel of judges for DQ's was so that this kind of thing could be discussed and determined on a case by case basis. Who in the world would have made that kind of adjustment on purpose? It's a shame?

Out of curiosity, are the judges completely non-biased in that they aren't entered in the challenges?


Most of them don't have time. :) And like it or not, the rules are really pretty clear on most of these things. Bottom line is the photographer is responsible for making sure they have followed the rules for the challenge they are participating in. This is the only way to keep the playing field totally level for everyone.

It means that sometimes you are going to get good images DQ'd. But at the end of the day, you know that SC has done it's best to be fair and impartial.

Clara
 05/22/2004 10:56:03 AM · #11
Originally posted by melismatica:
That seems so evidently an intentional mistake. I thought the reason they had a panel of judges for DQ's was so that this kind of thing could be discussed and determined on a case by case basis. Who in the world would have made that kind of adjustment on purpose? It's a shame?

Out of curiosity, are the judges completely non-biased in that they aren't entered in the challenges?


A rule broken by accident is still a rule broken!
 05/22/2004 10:58:15 AM · #12
I think its bollocks and petty.
 05/22/2004 11:01:08 AM · #13
Officer, I totally didn't realize I was driving 50 in a 30 MPH zone. What do you mean you're gonna give me a ticket? I just told you I didn't realize that I was going that fast so you shouldn't hold it against me. You know what? I think it's bollocks and petty for you to give me a ticket anyways...
 05/22/2004 11:11:27 AM · #14
didnt know it was so dangerous, or serious.
pics look the same to me
 05/22/2004 11:24:16 AM · #15
that's a good point toocool, it is important to have that person evaluating whether or not a ticket is needed...now of course the situation changes for most people say if...he was only going 33 in a 30mph zone eh? or if he were driving his pregnant wife to the hospital, or if it were another police officer driving to catch a criminal, or if...

going back to my earlier comment...it's important to have people making those judgment calls and I appreciate the sc here evaluating my submission, again...i'm assuming they are looking at rule breaking not in simple right/wrong but including the specifics of the situation.

but I still wonder, in a contest where nothing other than recognition is won, if a photo is hurt more by the rule being broken and yet it still is voted in the top 3 should it still be dq'd? Rules are made for specific reasons. I'm assuming they've been placed here for 2 reasons...to keep the site from becoming an EDITING contest and to not artificially improve (read: make better) images to allow for unfair advantages. IMHO, my image would most probably fall outside of those criteria...

Message edited by author 2004-05-22 11:24:45.
 05/22/2004 11:28:32 AM · #16
Originally posted by melismatica:
Out of curiosity, are the judges completely non-biased in that they aren't entered in the challenges?

If you seriously think that could be an issue then you probably shouldn't enter ... I mean why go to all that trouble -- the admins could just give themselves as many ribbons as they want any time ...

I had one of my photos DQ'd for a similar "accidental" reason, so I'm glad to see some consistency in our application of the rules, but sad to see the photo go -- I liked it a lot.

If you were online before the deadline and saw the problem, why not crop off or apply a black stroke over the offending edges and upload a better replacement file?
 05/22/2004 11:36:10 AM · #17
Originally posted by ericsuth:
going back to my earlier comment...it's important to have people making those judgment calls and I appreciate the sc here evaluating my submission, again...i'm assuming they are looking at rule breaking not in simple right/wrong but including the specifics of the situation.

but I still wonder, in a contest where nothing other than recognition is won, if a photo is hurt more by the rule being broken and yet it still is voted in the top 3 should it still be dq'd? Rules are made for specific reasons. I'm assuming they've been placed here for 2 reasons...to keep the site from becoming an EDITING contest and to not artificially improve (read: make better) images to allow for unfair advantages. IMHO, my image would most probably fall outside of those criteria...

We specifically tried to write the rules so as to minimize the need for us to have discussions or make "judgement calls!" THAT takes up a lot of time, and is then subject to (perceived) abuse of our discretion: "You let UserX's photo stand but DQ'd mine for almost the same thing!"

I, for one, want no part of any of that.

In this case a feathered selection (or similar) was used but not allowed. Besides also breaking the rules in effect for that challenge, it raises the (unlikely in this case) possibility that other rules may have been broken but the violations not detected.
 05/22/2004 11:42:49 AM · #18
Originally posted by KarenB:
It was an excellent submission... one to be proud of.. Too bad about the DQ - but I am glad you posted it again :)
I think they are equal except maybe the second version is sharper?

Not me,I wondered why it get so high ! :-)
 05/22/2004 12:48:43 PM · #19
GeneralE, I can understand why you might not want to make judgment calls. It is difficult, subject to criticism, and also requires responsibility for making decisions. Creating rules to simplify matters into Boolean values requires much less, and really creates the possibility of removing all responsibility by creating a program to simply categorize, and in that way you can forget about judging.
About why I didn’t crop it outâ€Â¦lol, my wife (can I please blame her?) had a late dinner and so I was submitting late and finished about 5 min. until the deadline. I didn’t see the pic online until 5 min after it was too late :(

Anyway, I love the forums here, great setup to create dialog. I never really been a forum type of person, but I’m enjoying these.

Thanks again for helping out, the site is made better by having people willing to give their free time to devote to it, plusâ€Â¦you’ve even got some great pictures out there.
05/22/2004 12:59:53 PM · #20
Originally posted by ericsuth:
About why I didn’t crop it outâ€Â¦lol, my wife (can I please blame her?) had a late dinner and so I was submitting late and finished about 5 min. until the deadline. I didn’t see the pic online until 5 min after it was too late :(

We procrastinators must "get bitten" once in a while to help keep us in line ... in the long run you made the right choice in sacrificing the photo to dinner. AND you still have a very good photo.
 05/22/2004 01:13:52 PM · #21
I dont believe the SC is scared to take responsibility for their actions. They are simply following the rules set out for them in an effort to bring a uniformed and consistent judgement that in the end should make everyone happy.

To ask the SC to state that a picture that has broken the rules is ok IF a number of elements have also been met would set bad precedents. Rules need to be consistent in order to be effective or else there would be cries of bias and favoritism.

Example - an image had obvious signs of illegal editing in a basic editing open challenge. The editing was not 'beneficial' to the image as it was obvious and several people pointed it out. The photographer claims it was unintentional and a result of trying to submit something quickly or didnt have time to correct it. The SC decide that it should not be DQ'd.

Several months later someone enters an image that has been clone stamped, badly, so it does not 'benefit' the image to have broken the basic editing. The image wins and the photographer claims it was accidental and unintentional. Based on the previous decision that set the precedent it would be logical to assume that the SC would then allow that image to remain in the contest as it was basically the same circumstances of the first, just a different editing tool.

If you agree that the above should not be DQ'd then where do you draw the line? Basic editing is basic editing and just tagging a 'I didnt mean it, honest' doesnt make it right, especially since anyone can claim that whether they meant it or not. And that's not to say that everyone who says it doesnt mean it, but yes, there are people who dont.

Often making decisions like that does not just affect one image, it affects all images after that image. People ask why so serious, but I'm sure the same people would also start an outcry if the rules were thrown out of the window and people were allowed to do anything they wanted because, well, it's just for fun, right?
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