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 01/17/2015 02:32:40 AM · #76
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I believe you! ;)

I knew very well it is misattributed to Voltaire, though previously I had been blissfully unaware of who did say it, but the point is the quote reference would have been lost on everybody but you! Sometimes such a thing doesn't matter.


I was helping my 9 year old do his homework last night and he is being taught in school that Voltaire said it.
If I remember I'll take a picture of it tonight on post it.
If anyone was asked this question on a game show with big bucks on the line you would all say Voltaire.


I can guarantee you that I would NOT.

Ray
 01/17/2015 02:05:41 PM · #77
Found a great video about this..

Fuck the Pope
 01/17/2015 02:26:48 PM · #78
oh my dear Corykins. thank you. I sigh with relief: the odorous steam from the dung heap dissipates in risibility.

01/17/2015 05:56:58 PM · #79
Originally posted by Cory:
Found a great video about this..

Fuck the Pope


Makes one wonder just how he really feels deep inside eh? :O)

Ray
 01/17/2015 06:21:23 PM · #80
Originally posted by Cory:
The problem is simple, if you accept belief as a justification for ANYTHING, you must accept it as a justification for EVERYTHING, therefore I reject the justification summarily. Have your faith, and eat it too if you wish, but if you feel you are compelled to act based on faith/belief/commandments from god himself/etc, then you have a serious epistemological issue.

I find it quite a stretch to say just because you accept belief as a justification for something, you have to accept it as a justification for EVERYTHING. It seems that was the trap the Jewish religious leaders of the day had fallen into, and were soundly criticized for by Jesus. Generalizing the Mosaic law to the point where their religious regulations diverged from the intent and purpose of the original. People, no matter how well-meaning and dedicated, - to be fair to the Jewish religious leaders of the 1st century - misinterpreting "God-given" law because they don't have any idea of the facts and reasons behind it.

01/17/2015 06:25:47 PM · #81
Only fair for me to point out that even those who profess no belief in God can see the error in doing physical harm to another as a response to a perceived insult, even when it is apparently advocated by the current leader of the Christian faith - the Pope.
 01/17/2015 10:34:46 PM · #82
Originally posted by dtremain:
Originally posted by Cory:
The problem is simple, if you accept belief as a justification for ANYTHING, you must accept it as a justification for EVERYTHING, therefore I reject the justification summarily. Have your faith, and eat it too if you wish, but if you feel you are compelled to act based on faith/belief/commandments from god himself/etc, then you have a serious epistemological issue.

I find it quite a stretch to say just because you accept belief as a justification for something, you have to accept it as a justification for EVERYTHING. It seems that was the trap the Jewish religious leaders of the day had fallen into, and were soundly criticized for by Jesus. Generalizing the Mosaic law to the point where their religious regulations diverged from the intent and purpose of the original. People, no matter how well-meaning and dedicated, - to be fair to the Jewish religious leaders of the 1st century - misinterpreting "God-given" law because they don't have any idea of the facts and reasons behind it.


I think you've quite misunderstood the point.

I'm saying that if you are willing to accept someone else using their faith to justify something (let's say something simple: closing on a Sunday, or perhaps not eating pork), then it follow that you will have to accept their justification of faith for anything they might wish to use it for, after all, how the hell are you going to prove that God didn't command them to do something?

(Some fun examples from the real world: Faith Healing, Female Genital Mutilation, Sharia Law)

Message edited by author 2015-01-17 22:37:10.
 01/20/2015 04:21:42 PM · #83
Dare to speak your mind? Totally fine... Unless you're talking about religion. I guess I should probably just expect someone to come along and murder me/burn my house one of these days.

Today's fun and games in religious land.
 01/20/2015 04:53:49 PM · #84
Originally posted by Cory:
Dare to speak your mind? Totally fine... Unless you're talking about religion. I guess I should probably just expect someone to come along and murder me/burn my house one of these days.

There is no surer sign of a false belief than advocating violence in response to criticism. Any faith that can't withstand scrutiny is misplaced.
 01/20/2015 06:08:54 PM · #85
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Cory:
Dare to speak your mind? Totally fine... Unless you're talking about religion. I guess I should probably just expect someone to come along and murder me/burn my house one of these days.

There is no surer sign of a false belief than advocating violence in response to criticism. Any faith that can't withstand scrutiny is misplaced.


Watch out there mister, if you don't watch out someone is going to either declare Jihad or Holy War against you.
 01/20/2015 07:20:48 PM · #86
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