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12/31/2014 10:10:36 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I may be a blue state, NPR listening guy, but I always figured that people who watched FOX news just wanted confirmation of a shared opinion rather than facts, the truth,
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that plays into my anchorman 2 clip. |
absolutely. I didn't watch the whole series, but the opening monologue from the first Jeff Daniels "Newsroom" was pretty powerful.What makes America great scene- the Newsroom |
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12/31/2014 10:27:24 AM · #27 |
I think these short films by British filmmaker Adam Curtis might be of interest hereâ€Â¦
The Rise & Fall of the TV Journalist.
Paranoia
Oh Dearism...
I very highly recommend Curtis' 'The Power of Nightmares' and his other longer films.
Message edited by author 2014-12-31 10:36:31. |
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12/31/2014 11:03:21 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I may be a blue state, NPR listening guy, but I always figured that people who watched FOX news just wanted confirmation of a shared opinion rather than facts, the truth,
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that plays into my anchorman 2 clip. |
absolutely. I didn't watch the whole series, but the opening monologue from the first Jeff Daniels "Newsroom" was pretty powerful.What makes America great scene- the Newsroom |
powerful in thats its good dramatic acting. the monologue started out great but then he started blaming the younger generation and started on how great the older generation was. what does make America great is that it's progressive, being a mix of many cultures forces it to be, but it also forces us to accept our differences which dont go over so well.
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01/01/2015 06:56:23 PM · #29 |
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01/01/2015 07:29:25 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Neat:
A nation can be as great and powerful as its leaders, take away strong leaders and you have a country run by babies, children who make up things as they go along, and wreck the constitution also with it, that's what's happening to America little by little, bit by bit, in the end my friends the end will not be pretty! |
It's a very interesting discussion that's for sure. I don't know a huge amount about American politics to be honest. What specific parts of the constitution do you feel have been wrecked? If the end won't be pretty then what do you feel are the main contributers to that? |
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01/01/2015 07:31:36 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I may be a blue state, NPR listening guy, but I always figured that people who watched FOX news just wanted confirmation of a shared opinion rather than facts, the truth,
etc.
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that plays into my anchorman 2 clip. |
absolutely. I didn't watch the whole series, but the opening monologue from the first Jeff Daniels "Newsroom" was pretty powerful.What makes America great scene- the Newsroom |
That was very powerful indeed.
A nation can be as great and powerful as its leaders, take away strong leaders and you have a country run by babies, children who make up things as they go along, and wreck the constitution also with it, that's what's happening to America little by little, bit by bit, in the end my friends the end will not be pretty! |
It's not as bad as the media makes it out to be. It's not heaven but it's not hell either. |
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01/01/2015 08:29:58 PM · #32 |
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01/01/2015 09:20:26 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Neat:
I don't want to say too much else bc I know I will cause a stir, better to say little, than more. |
I think you've probably said enough to get a gist. Particularly when you talk about a 'left wing majority'. Plus, you've mentioned before of your admiration for people like the right wing Daily Mail columnist, Melanie Phillips and her U.S based counterpart Ann Coulter and how you feel they are the only ones speaking the 'truth'. I think we probably agree that there are many problems in the world but, as you know, we have very VERY different ideas as to the causes (and possible solutions). Such is life of course. |
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01/01/2015 09:30:59 PM · #34 |
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01/01/2015 09:39:32 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Yes well I knew you could read between the lines....BTW I don't agree with everything the above two write..but what Melanie writes about Israel I agree with mostly!! |
Yes, she's extremely pro-Israel isn't she. Not really my cup of tea to be honest.
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01/01/2015 09:42:30 PM · #36 |
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Message edited by author 2015-01-02 01:33:36. |
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01/01/2015 09:47:22 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Why not?? Most people don't even know why they hate Israel so much, they seem to go along with the crowd, and whatever is populist, |
That's an extremely patronising point of view. I would say that most people who oppose the Isaeli governments actions over the years know exactly what it is they oppose. |
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01/01/2015 09:54:56 PM · #38 |
Anita's way of thinking illustrates an interesting point though. I guess we all have our version of ' the truth' and to a certain extent can't understand why other people would think differently. When other people do then it must be all the media's fault as she suggests.
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01/01/2015 10:49:28 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Anita's way of thinking illustrates an interesting point though. I guess we all have our version of ' the truth' and to a certain extent can't understand why other people would think differently. When other people do then it must be all the media's fault as she suggests. |
It always surprises me to see Conservative views outside of the United States, because Conservatives here always wrap themselves in the flag, especially when it runs to foreign policy. It's hard for me to believe anyone with a perspective outside of the U.S. could support U.S. foreign policy, with the possible exception of those two world wars. After all, Conservatism is at its heart a tribal philosophy, so why would people outside of our tribe support it? Far more sensible to me are the Conservatives who hate the U.S., like the Taliban. |
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01/01/2015 11:15:20 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
.... Far more sensible to me are the Conservatives who hate the U.S., like the Taliban. |
Looking for a free vacation to Cuba? ;) |
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01/02/2015 01:33:13 AM · #41 |
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01/02/2015 07:11:30 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Anita's way of thinking illustrates an interesting point though. I guess we all have our version of ' the truth' and to a certain extent can't understand why other people would think differently. When other people do then it must be all the media's fault as she suggests. |
Ah, Anita has deleted her posts so my above point doesn't really make sense. She had said that anyone who wasn't Pro-Israel was being led by an anti- Israel biased media. That in effect it was all the bad media's fault for any Pro-Palestine feeling but anyone who is Pro- Israel was being led by 'the truth' or something. My point was that we all do a version of this to varying extent. I remember last year when all the killings in Gaza was happening, having a facebook conversation with a staunch Israel supporter who was incredulous that I felt that the BBC was guilty of a lot of Pro-Israel bias when it was obvious to him that the exact opposite was true. I guess it all boils down to where you are standing on the political spectrum. It's like Anita's assertion that the U.S, and the UK and Austrailia, is being destroyed by an immoral 'left wing majority' . From my point of view I don't think we've had a 'left wing majority', either in government or in the populace, in recent memory.
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01/02/2015 07:56:39 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by rooum:
Anita's way of thinking illustrates an interesting point though. I guess we all have our version of ' the truth' and to a certain extent can't understand why other people would think differently. When other people do then it must be all the media's fault as she suggests. |
It always surprises me to see Conservative views outside of the United States, because Conservatives here always wrap themselves in the flag, especially when it runs to foreign policy. It's hard for me to believe anyone with a perspective outside of the U.S. could support U.S. foreign policy, with the possible exception of those two world wars. After all, Conservatism is at its heart a tribal philosophy, so why would people outside of our tribe support it? Far more sensible to me are the Conservatives who hate the U.S., like the Taliban. |
well conservatism is merely an aversion to changing traditional values and attitudes. If US values are in line with your own, you are apt to support it. the United states shares many traditional values with the rest of the free world, thus the support.
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01/02/2015 09:24:42 AM · #44 |
If I was raised in Gaza by my father who had been evicted many years ago from Jaffa I'm pretty sure I'd be Pro-Palestine, on the other hand if I was a Kibbutznik living on the Lebanese border I'd probably have very strong feelings about my countries neighbors. Staying like an empty vessel ready to accept the truths from any direction isn't easy to do. I once practiced at a Korean Zendo were all you had to do was sit and keep an I don't know mind, it's incredibly if not impossibly hard to do, left, right, good, bad, maybe we make it all up to feel secure and solid because nothing actually is.
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01/02/2015 09:49:54 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by jagar:
If I was raised in Gaza by my father who had been evicted many years ago from Jaffa I'm pretty sure I'd be Pro-Palestine, on the other hand if I was a Kibbutznik living on the Lebanese border I'd probably have very strong feelings about my all countries neighbors. Staying like an empty vessel ready to accept the truths from any direction isn't easy to do. I once practiced at a Korean Zendo were all you had to do was sit and keep an I don't know mind, it's incredibly if not impossibly hard to do, left, right, good, bad, maybe we make it all up to feel secure and solid because nothing actually is. |
Wise words there. |
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01/02/2015 12:37:42 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by jagar:
If I was raised in Gaza by my father who had been evicted many years ago from Jaffa I'm pretty sure I'd be Pro-Palestine, on the other hand if I was a Kibbutznik living on the Lebanese border I'd probably have very strong feelings about my all countries neighbors. Staying like an empty vessel ready to accept the truths from any direction isn't easy to do. I once practiced at a Korean Zendo were all you had to do was sit and keep an I don't know mind, it's incredibly if not impossibly hard to do, left, right, good, bad, maybe we make it all up to feel secure and solid because nothing actually is. |
Wise words there. |
ah, but such relativism is itself an affront to conservatism. |
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