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12/31/2014 02:08:59 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Cory:
Interestingly, she seems likely to have been committing a felony at the time of her death.
That appears to be a Walmart Supercenter, and if that is the case, it would be VERY likely to have alcohol, and establishments that sell alcohol are off-limits for CC permit holders while they are packing. |
Not here in Louisiana......It specifically calls out places that serve alcohol...not that just sell it. |
Well that's a relief! Can't risk people who think carrying a gun is wise having their otherwise impeccable judgement degraded by alcohol. |
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12/31/2014 02:31:05 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
To me, we are making a choice to put children and other people at risk by carrying around loaded weapons - just in case we might need them because we never know when that will be.
When was the last time you heard a story about a life SAVED because some civilian happened to have a loaded gun with him/her at the right time? Again, I'm probably just not paying enough attention. |
I see stories like this almost on a daily basis. That story could have ended very differently if that lady had not had a gun.
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12/31/2014 02:43:43 PM · #103 |
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12/31/2014 03:40:29 PM · #104 |
Picture yourself living in a large city, you have good neighborhoods and bad and they are never really that far apart. Now you live on the edge of the city, in one moment you lose your power, then your phone you are now cut off from the rest of the world. Oops in all the hoopla you lost your transportation along with 75% of your neighbors. The family of 5 across the street from you are out of a home so you take them in to join your family of 4. Now your house is filled with 2 men 2 women and 5 children.
No power, No phone, no car and the surrounding neighborhoods have power for the most part.
What would be your weapon of choice to protect all these people if some criminal decides to prey on these families once it gets dark? Oh one more thing it's over a period of weeks not hours or days.
Message edited by author 2014-12-31 15:40:40. |
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12/31/2014 03:49:59 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Picture yourself living in a large city, you have good neighborhoods and bad and they are never really that far apart. Now you live on the edge of the city, in one moment you lose your power, then your phone you are now cut off from the rest of the world. Oops in all the hoopla you lost your transportation along with 75% of your neighbors. The family of 5 across the street from you are out of a home so you take them in to join your family of 4. Now your house is filled with 2 men 2 women and 5 children.
No power, No phone, no car and the surrounding neighborhoods have power for the most part.
What would be your weapon of choice to protect all these people if some criminal decides to prey on these families once it gets dark? Oh one more thing it's over a period of weeks not hours or days. |
OH WOW..( a gun ) You have just described the zombie apocalypse.....LOL
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12/31/2014 04:57:28 PM · #106 |
| Her mistake wasn't in carrying the gun, but in leaving it where it was accessible to the child. |
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12/31/2014 05:42:15 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by Dave Ross:
Maybe New Jersey is to Blame
A young Mom takes a group of kids to the Walmart in Hayden, Idaho including her 2-year-old boy. The boy starts exploring her purse, which, in most cases, means the keys fall out or the credit cards get scattered and the child comes away learning you don't play with mommy's purse. Not this time.
"A small child accessed a concealed weapon that was inside the victim's purse and discharged it, striking the victim. And she's deceased on scene," explained a police officer.
The mom probably had the gun to protect herself and her children, and she had every right to carry it.
The police don't want to blame the victim, but what else can they say?
"I'm a big proponent of a concealed weapon for your own safety," said the officer. "However, you have to be responsible. Unfortunately, all the precautionary measures weren't taken to ensure the safety of the weapon."
If only you could buy a childproof gun. It would make sense in a country where so many moms carry them.
It turns out they do exist, some of them can sense fingerprints. One model uses a special wrist watch so that the gun can be fired only when it's in your hands. As soon as the gun loses radio contact with the watch, it is automatically deactivated.
So the smart guns exist, but there is extreme pressure not to sell them because of a law in New Jersey which says that the moment any company sells a smart gun, all guns shops in New Jersey must begin to convert their inventory to smart guns. Maybe it's time to repeal that law and let the market decide. |
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12/31/2014 06:23:31 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Her mistake wasn't in carrying the gun, but in leaving it where it was accessible to the child. |
Absolutely. |
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12/31/2014 06:32:01 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by jagar:
I wonder how many people have actually needed a gun ? personally I never have, I did have someone point one at my head in a Palestinian town once, having one would have definetly worsened my predicament. Maybe one day I will need one and I'll regret all my rantings here, one thing is for sure though, humanity would be a whole lot better off with a bit more tolerance and compassion. |
I have, but it was a very long time ago, in another life so to speak. While I have no interest in going into details, I feel relatively certain that I would not be here had I not been armed.
I still feel that they can be useful, and I may one day need a gun again, as I do live in a rough area, and have quite a bit of stockpiled stuff that others would probably want, I hope to never need one again, but I would much rather have the option should the need arise. Heck, you can go outside here and shoot all you want and no-one will call the cops, I've fired a full clip out of a .45 auto (big handgun, very loud) into a safe testing target, and the police have never shown up investigating, same story with a .20Ga shotgun and .22 rifles along with a 30-06 rifle. And I only live on a 1/3 acre lot, so it's not like there aren't neighbors close by.
Also, it has been years, but the neighbors had a series of driveby shootings, granted they've left, and the trouble did with them, but it's only a matter of time before someone else arrives whom trouble will follow.
*shrug*.. And even with ALL of that, I would still say that I don't actually "NEED" the guns, but they're still a nice option. (although, ironically, they are probably one of the more attractive 'things' around here to a thief....) |
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12/31/2014 06:42:05 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by nygold:
Picture yourself living in a large city, you have good neighborhoods and bad and they are never really that far apart. Now you live on the edge of the city, in one moment you lose your power, then your phone you are now cut off from the rest of the world. Oops in all the hoopla you lost your transportation along with 75% of your neighbors. The family of 5 across the street from you are out of a home so you take them in to join your family of 4. Now your house is filled with 2 men 2 women and 5 children.
No power, No phone, no car and the surrounding neighborhoods have power for the most part.
What would be your weapon of choice to protect all these people if some criminal decides to prey on these families once it gets dark? Oh one more thing it's over a period of weeks not hours or days. |
OH WOW..( a gun ) You have just described the zombie apocalypse.....LOL |
It was like a zombie apocalypse and it was like that for about 5 weeks after the hurricane. |
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12/31/2014 07:28:39 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by nygold:
Picture yourself living in a large city, you have good neighborhoods and bad and they are never really that far apart. Now you live on the edge of the city, in one moment you lose your power, then your phone you are now cut off from the rest of the world. Oops in all the hoopla you lost your transportation along with 75% of your neighbors. The family of 5 across the street from you are out of a home so you take them in to join your family of 4. Now your house is filled with 2 men 2 women and 5 children.
No power, No phone, no car and the surrounding neighborhoods have power for the most part.
What would be your weapon of choice to protect all these people if some criminal decides to prey on these families once it gets dark? Oh one more thing it's over a period of weeks not hours or days. |
OH WOW..( a gun ) You have just described the zombie apocalypse.....LOL |
It was like a zombie apocalypse and it was like that for about 5 weeks after the hurricane. |
Terrible storm... heartwarming story. And no guns. Hope things have healed for you all.
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01/01/2015 01:02:15 AM · #112 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Terrible storm... heartwarming story. And no guns. Hope things have healed for you all. |
Yup and in the end we didn't need a gun. Honest truth I would have felt better with one but in the end I didn't need one.
For the record we did have weapons on the ready. Not guns but weapons. |
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01/01/2015 10:36:28 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Her mistake wasn't in carrying the gun, but in leaving it where it was accessible to the child. |
Absolutely. |
Nearly every time there is a tragedy of this nature, its because an adult became lacks in their responsibility of gun ownership. Not every person that can sit through a class and pass the shooting test should be able to CCW. It's a right by the constitution, but more importantly doing so is a responsibility that if you don't follow 100% without fail, can and does sometimes end in a tragedy.
At no time when carrying a gun should it not be in your control. |
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01/01/2015 10:38:05 AM · #114 |
Maybe thats a lesson we need to realize. That guns aren't really necessary, they just make you feel safer so we use it as a crutch.
Not an opinion just an observation. |
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01/01/2015 10:44:26 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Maybe thats a lesson we need to realize. That guns aren't really necessary, they just make you feel safer so we use it as a crutch.
Not an opinion just an observation. |
Accidents happen when you don't follow the rules. How many times has carelessness killed photographers?
If you take away guns, then the only people who are armed are the police and the people who don't follow rules anyway. Guns are a right given by the constitution, but they are a responsibility if you chose to use that right. |
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01/01/2015 10:49:40 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Maybe thats a lesson we need to realize. That guns aren't really necessary, they just make you feel safer so we use it as a crutch.
Not an opinion just an observation. |
We should also learn that high-fat foods aren't really necessary, and since they are behind a MUCH larger proportion of premature deaths, I think if we choose to go the 'we only shall allow what is necessary' route with our society, starting with restricting people to only eating healthy food seems much smarter.
And hey! If they don't follow the law, we could pretty easily put them on a forced exercise program and put them under 24/7 surveillance and restriction until they're declared healthy. Happily, this would pay for itself, as the 'exercise' would simply be heavy construction work, which combined with a super-healthy diet and severe calorie restrictions would save untold lives.
And, before any of you get on with that constitutional crap about the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, I think it's pretty clear that the founders never anticipated our obesity, as at the time it simply wasn't possible for people to have such easy access to high calorie capacity foodstuffs. Besides, the wording is pretty clear, and because we know that obese people are going to be deprived of life, usually have restricted mobility which interferes with their liberty, and are generally less happy than healthy people, it seems to be our duty to imprison those who cannot make good responsible decisions, and force a healthy lifestyle upon them. And of course, it's important to realize that food just makes us FEEL happier, so we tend to use it as a crutch.
So, who's with me?
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ETA: I think we could start by reclassifying fast-food restaurants like McDonalds as "Assault Restaurants", and begin with a restriction on the number of items a person is allowed to order. Of course, we'll eventually ban them, but we should start with a small step, to lower resistance and get people used to the idea in a fashion that won't invite major resistance.
Also, another part of our plan will need to involve the media - we should station a news crew at the ER at most major hospitals and do a "Breaking News" segment whenever an obese person arrives suffering from cardiac failure, or other weight-related issues. Eventually people will become greatly sensitized to this, and demand change!
Message edited by author 2015-01-01 11:03:39. |
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01/01/2015 11:07:33 AM · #117 |
WOW!
I just looked at the menu at this "Shooter's Grill" place.. Forget about the guns, the food at this place is the real danger....
I think we should demand they immediately switch to rice cakes and tofu or shut it down immediately. |
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01/01/2015 12:50:03 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Maybe thats a lesson we need to realize. That guns aren't really necessary, they just make you feel safer so we use it as a crutch.
Not an opinion just an observation. |
An erroneous observation. |
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01/01/2015 01:06:50 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Cory:
WOW!
I just looked at the menu at this "Shooter's Grill" place.. Forget about the guns, the food at this place is the real danger....
I think we should demand they immediately switch to rice cakes and tofu or shut it down immediately. |
Almonds, blue cheese crumbles, strawberries ...you think they're expecting some California tourists ...?
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01/01/2015 01:35:49 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I bet they don't get robbed and the patrons & employees feel safe |
Truth be told, any premise where any and all can carry a firearm is one where I definitely would NOT feel safe.
Ray |
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01/15/2015 11:54:39 AM · #121 |
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01/15/2015 12:06:01 PM · #122 |
Awesome story..... Another criminal down and more safe people
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01/15/2015 12:13:33 PM · #123 |
Personally I don't see why people feel the need to carry guns everywhere. I'm glad Target stood up to these people and don't allow guns to carried in their stores. Why do you need a gun at Target? It's not the old west anymore, you're not going to have a "showdown" in the aisles. And even if you do, be a man about it and use your fists. I never respected anyone that pulls a gun, it doesn't make you tough, I feel it makes you a coward. Any idiot can pull a trigger. So yeah I don't see a point to a restaurant that has their employees packing guns. I wouldn't go and most of the people I know wouldn't either.
I'm not trying to piss anyone off with my comments and not trying to start a fight or argument, just throwing my thoughts out there. I have no faith in the majority of humanity, and I wouldn't trust them with a gun. Maybe a rubber band gun, and even then I would take away the rubber bands.
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01/15/2015 12:29:02 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Awesome story..... Another criminal down and more safe people |
I realize there are times like this in which people may be made safer due to guns in the hands of ordinary people. I just wonder how this compares to the number of lives put at risk due to guns in the hands of ordinary people (gun accidents, suicides facilitated by easy access to a gun, guns pulled in arguments, etc.) I feel like more innocent people are put at risk than are made safer due to guns in the hands of ordinary people. |
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01/15/2015 12:29:32 PM · #125 |
| Are there any other rights you would like to take away while you are at it? I can make a list and send it to the local Senator and Representative. |
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