Ansel Adams' "Anti-Christ" - DPChallenge Forums

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12/04/2014 03:22:32 PM · #3

there appear quite a few Ansel Adams types on DPC as well.

Elaine

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12/04/2014 03:25:19 PM · #4

An interesting article. Thanks for sharing. Guess the arguments we are having here about editing rules have deep roots.

Mike

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12/04/2014 03:33:26 PM · #5

"'Purity' is conceived to consist in limiting photographic expression to the mechanically objective representation that is inherent in the uncontrolled camera â�¦ [but] Imagination is a wayward and willful wench, and when she is on the loose she is not to be held in check by any arbitrary boundaries that divide one medium from another."

brilliant.

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12/04/2014 06:06:47 PM · #6

Getting a bit old deleting my posts isn't it?

LanndonKane

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12/04/2014 06:13:04 PM · #7

getting censored?

GeneralE

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12/04/2014 06:25:53 PM · #8

Originally posted by nygold:

Getting a bit old deleting my posts isn't it?

As is your continuing use of gratuitous profanity and wholly unnecessary disparaging characterizations.

So, conform to the TOS and the Forum rules, get censored, or get suspended -- your choice.

12/04/2014 06:32:25 PM · #9

I didn't know you guys were such big A Adams fans.

RayEthier

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12/04/2014 06:34:10 PM · #10

Originally posted by Mike:

A very interesting and probably accurate description of what many would consider "Purity" to be. YOu will note that this is followed by the comments of the author relative to "Imagination", and since these do not seem to be inclusive, therein lies the problem.

One could argue that in this venue the majority of the players suscribe to the "Purity" approach when dealing with challenges and that the "Imagination" aspect of things ought to be limited to side challenges where those interested in that type of activity can partake to their hearts content.

You may not agree with the rule of the majority, but as things currently stand majority rules.

In time, you may get this majority you seek, but for now you are stuck with what is.

Ray

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12/04/2014 06:58:27 PM · #11

"It was swell to hear from youâ��and I look forward to the picture of the corpse. My only regret is that the identity of said corpse is not our Laguna Beach colleague." The "colleague" Adams referred to was William Mortensen,

Sounds like a lovely guy.

Please don't delete this. (Thanks:)

GeneralE

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12/04/2014 07:27:08 PM · #12

Originally posted by nygold:

Please don't delete this. (Thanks:)

I won't. You have a right to your opinion -- and after I read everything in context I might even agree with it -- I just want you to express it within the bounds of the site's rules and overall "good taste" ... maybe take it as a language side-challenge. :-)

I realize it takes more creativity and imagination to convey an insult using "standard" language. Two of my favorites are from an unknown Quaker:
"I trust thy mother will punish thee when thou hast returned to thy kennel."

and from the ever-reliable Oscar Wilde:
"I was pleased to hear of the publication of your last book, until I realized you meant your latest book."

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12/04/2014 07:41:32 PM · #13

I didn't think it was that over the top.
Do a search on the F bomb and you'll get 350 posts.
What I wrote was VERY tame in comparison.

That being said I will try to curb my language.

smardaz

12/05/2014 03:41:22 AM · #14

Didn't read the article, couldn't get past those fantastic boobs....

bvy

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12/05/2014 08:11:58 AM · #15

How about we start deleting posts with gratuitous insanity instead.

Tiny

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12/05/2014 09:39:59 AM · #16

Originally posted by smardaz:

Didn't read the article, couldn't get past those fantastic boobs....

Certainly the best bit

Elaine

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12/05/2014 10:13:33 AM · #17

Originally posted by RayEthier:

[quote=Mike] "'Purity' is conceived to consist in limiting photographic expression to the mechanically objective representation that is inherent in the uncontrolled camera â�¦ [but] Imagination is a wayward and willful wench, and when she is on the loose she is not to be held in check by any arbitrary boundaries that divide one medium from another."

One could argue that in this venue the majority of the players suscribe to the "Purity" approach when dealing with challenges and that the "Imagination" aspect of things ought to be limited to side challenges where those interested in that type of activity can partake to their hearts content.

You may not agree with the rule of the majority, but as things currently stand majority rules.

In time, you may get this majority you seek, but for now you are stuck with what is.

Ray

Maybe we can agree that there is no "right" or "wrong" in this. There should be room for the purist and the imaginist (yes, I made that word up). Both are photography. Both have been around since the first person figured out how to manipulate a negative.

Mike

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12/05/2014 11:25:33 AM · #18

Originally posted by Elaine:

unfortunately according to the purists, there will never be room for both because once the imagination style is accepted (or worse encouraged), an impurity exists and that's contrary to the beliefs of the purist. at least here at dpc the imaginist (we can continue with that term) can accept what the purist has to offer, the contrary can not be true (at least by definition) and is evident in that Ray thinks the style he (and others) doesn't prefer should be relegated to side challenges, whereas i have yet to hear a call for any expulsion from any on the other side.

which may infer two things- one, the purists are not in the majority (thankfully) and two, that the imaginists are a bit more open minded.

glad2badad

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12/05/2014 11:30:05 AM · #19

I'm a "purist" and proud of it.

Bear_Music

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12/05/2014 12:29:32 PM · #20

It's all about history, anyway. At that time, and since its inception, photography had been dominated by romantic pictorialists. It was the red-headed stepchild of the painterly arts, and tried to live up to painterly ideals. The "f/64 Group" was founded by Adams, Edward Weston, and others to attempt to create a modernist aesthetic for photography, something which had not existed at that time. So all of what's being discussed here in terms of "intolerance" was, in fact, typical revolutionary hyperbole.

I assure you the Ansel Adams we came to know and love wasn't a photographic bigot. He didn't demand that all images follow the f/64 credos, and dismiss as worthless those that didn't.

Message edited by author 2014-12-05 12:29:44.

vawendy

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12/05/2014 01:11:27 PM · #21

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Elaine:

Maybe we can agree that there is no "right" or "wrong" in this. There should be room for the purist and the imaginist (yes, I made that word up). Both are photography. Both have been around since the first person figured out how to manipulate a negative.

unfortunately according to the purists, there will never be room for both because once the imagination style is accepted (or worse encouraged), an impurity exists and that's contrary to the beliefs of the purist. at least here at dpc the imaginist (we can continue with that term) can accept what the purist has to offer, the contrary can not be true (at least by definition) and is evident in that Ray thinks the style he (and others) doesn't prefer should be relegated to side challenges, whereas i have yet to hear a call for any expulsion from any on the other side.

which may infer two things- one, the purists are not in the majority (thankfully) and two, that the imaginists are a bit more open minded.

Would Matthew Brady posing dead bodies during the civil war count as both? ;)

DrAchoo

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12/05/2014 01:29:55 PM · #22

I think we can have the paradoxical condition where we understand there is no "right" or "wrong" on this issue, but also allow for and even embrace strong opinions as if one side IS right and the other is wrong. If Ansel "hated" (probably a strong word) this photographer and his genre, good for him. At least he was a man of convictions. If you happen to like the genre, don't be offended that he didn't.

Spork99

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12/05/2014 02:43:17 PM · #23

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Elaine:

Maybe we can agree that there is no "right" or "wrong" in this. There should be room for the purist and the imaginist (yes, I made that word up). Both are photography. Both have been around since the first person figured out how to manipulate a negative.

unfortunately according to the purists, there will never be room for both because once the imagination style is accepted (or worse encouraged), an impurity exists and that's contrary to the beliefs of the purist. at least here at dpc the imaginist (we can continue with that term) can accept what the purist has to offer, the contrary can not be true (at least by definition) and is evident in that Ray thinks the style he (and others) doesn't prefer should be relegated to side challenges, whereas i have yet to hear a call for any expulsion from any on the other side.

which may infer two things- one, the purists are not in the majority (thankfully) and two, that the imaginists are a bit more open minded.

Would Matthew Brady posing dead bodies during the civil war count as both? ;)

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RayEthier