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 11/07/2014 01:48:05 PM · #26
I agree with the Advanced side of the argument. Expert makes it too easy to simply clone your subject around. Shooting a subject that has 7 occurrences as well as being something interesting is a real challenge. I'm sure there will be some stellar edits, but it loses out as a challenge.

I vaguely recall being told several times when I overindulged in my Advanced Edits that "this place is supposed to be about your photography skills, not what you can do in Photoshop". :p
 11/07/2014 02:01:54 PM · #27
Ahhhh.... A challenge with in a challenge.
How high can you score with an image using advanced editing in an expert challenge?

<---This one ended up with a red and it's not very experty at all.

Message edited by author 2014-11-07 14:02:05.
 11/07/2014 02:08:27 PM · #28
Originally posted by nygold:
Ahhhh.... A challenge with in a challenge.
How high can you score with an image using advanced editing in an expert challenge?

<---This one ended up with a red and it's not very experty at all.


Sometimes, when you just flatout, undeniably meet the challenge, you are rewarded.

Message edited by author 2014-11-07 14:08:38.
 11/07/2014 02:17:00 PM · #29
i swear every time I open my browser i get hit in the head with a cork from all the whine being opened around here.
 11/07/2014 06:34:36 PM · #30
I think what some people may be afraid to say is they don't like expert editing is because it should be called "gyaban editing". at least thats what i think when i see an expert editing challenge.
 11/07/2014 08:09:16 PM · #31
Originally posted by smardaz:
I think what some people may be afraid to say is they don't like expert editing is because it should be called "gyaban editing". at least thats what i think when i see an expert editing challenge.


Very true, esp as Christophe ribbons approximately every 3 challenges, if not more. So as crazy as it may seem, given that most of my PS work is extremely simple, one of my goals here is to beat Christophe in an Expert challenge. So I am making myself learn new PS tricks. Hey, even I've finished in the TT in an Expert challenge, with processing that is miles below both Christophe and Samantha.

And look at the latest Expert results, in Jewellery....a very simple, strong, classic studio shot of a watch with a water *arm*, beat his gorgeous, bejewelled ballerina. IMNSHO that very worthy blue could have been done, and I think was done, well within the so-called limitations of Advanced.

Message edited by author 2014-11-07 20:11:10.
 11/07/2014 08:31:37 PM · #32
Originally posted by smardaz:
I think what some people may be afraid to say is they don't like expert editing is because it should be called "gyaban editing". at least thats what i think when i see an expert editing challenge.

Not so much, as least for me. I could care less who actually "wins" when it comes to expert editing challenges.

If I feel up to it, I'll enter an 'Expert' ruleset challenge and not really worry about the end placing (see my rather simple entry for Jewelry Advertising).

The point for me in starting this thread was the challenge topic - this, again IMO, was a poor choice for the 'Expert' ruleset. It would be more fun and more challenging if everyone had to play this one under 'Advanced' editing. Getting 7 objects in the initial photo capture is more challenging than slicing and dicing.
 11/07/2014 09:05:07 PM · #33
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Getting 7 objects in the initial photo capture is more challenging than slicing and dicing.

And, probably, more predictable in the final results: 7 flowers in a vase, 7 pears in a row, 7 arbitrary anythings arranged by the photographer and carefully lit. Whereas with this expert version, we'll see some highly creative *imaginings* as well as the other stuff. And the "other stuff" might yet win, who knows?
 11/07/2014 09:32:45 PM · #34
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Getting 7 objects in the initial photo capture is more challenging than slicing and dicing.

And, probably, more predictable in the final results: 7 flowers in a vase, 7 pears in a row, 7 arbitrary anythings arranged by the photographer and carefully lit. Whereas with this expert version, we'll see some highly creative *imaginings* as well as the other stuff. And the "other stuff" might yet win, who knows?

Yep. At this point the cards have been dealt and the hands will play out soon enough.

Who knows, the winning hand may be 7 Aces, or 7 Players at the table, maybe even someone with 7 heads or 7 hands! :-)
 11/07/2014 11:08:28 PM · #35
I sort of wish the Camouflage challenge was Expert; I had an idea that wouldn't work in Advanced.

But for 7... I got nothin'.
 11/08/2014 10:59:09 AM · #36
Originally posted by LN13:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Mike:
this place is so much better under expert, that's reason enough.

Expert has it's place. Made sense for the recent Jewelry Advertisement challenge.

However, for Lucky 7 the challenge, IMO, also the challenge description, is to "Take a photograph which contains exactly seven of the main subject." - not,
"Copy and paste new layers for 7 different objects and make it look like there was 7 main subjects in the initial photograph."

Key words: "Take a photograph".
Not "Photoshop a collage".


+1


++1
 11/08/2014 11:56:09 AM · #37
I'm no expert by all means but going too try an idea I have hope it comes off
 11/09/2014 08:59:40 AM · #38
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Getting 7 objects in the initial photo capture is more challenging than slicing and dicing.

And, probably, more predictable in the final results: 7 flowers in a vase, 7 pears in a row, 7 arbitrary anythings arranged by the photographer and carefully lit. Whereas with this expert version, we'll see some highly creative *imaginings* as well as the other stuff. And the "other stuff" might yet win, who knows?


no! lets not encourage creativity. i love seeing the same concepts over and over and over..

11/09/2014 01:49:44 PM · #39
Expert means anything goes?
11/09/2014 02:01:14 PM · #40
Originally posted by GrillTowel:
Expert means anything goes?

Almost -- all components of your composition must be taken within the normal subission dates. Complete rules are here, and also linked on the submission page.

//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_rules.php?RULES_ID=14
 11/09/2014 07:22:17 PM · #41
Think I'll sit this one out...got too much other stuff I'd rather do than spend hours PSing my evenings away.
 11/09/2014 07:28:17 PM · #42
The nice thing about expert challenges is you have a choice. Enter a shot straight from the camera, create something out of many photos, do some basic or advanced processing. You can do as little or as much as you like. When I post on Flickr or Facebook, I try to do enough to make the photo look the way I want it to. I doubt I will ever create art the way some are capable of, but I appreciate being able to use all the tools that are available to me.
 11/09/2014 07:52:55 PM · #43
Originally posted by Elaine:
The nice thing about expert challenges is you have a choice. Enter a shot straight from the camera, create something out of many photos, do some basic or advanced processing. You can do as little or as much as you like. When I post on Flickr or Facebook, I try to do enough to make the photo look the way I want it to. I doubt I will ever create art the way some are capable of, but I appreciate being able to use all the tools that are available to me.


The above points are all valid. However, going back to the origins of this thread ...

Originally posted by glad2badad:
The point for me in starting this thread was the challenge topic - this, again IMO, was a poor choice for the 'Expert' ruleset. It would be more fun and more challenging if everyone had to play this one under 'Advanced' editing. Getting 7 objects in the initial photo capture is more challenging than slicing and dicing.


Under Expert editing we can anticipate some fantasy work pieced together, via a ton of photoshop work, like this:
(scored 7.83), (scored 7.62)

Or, more of a challenge to the photographer to capture all 7 in one shutter actuation, like these:
(scored 7.12), (scored 6.97)

I would have preferred the photography choice of Advanced editing for Lucky 7 V, versus the fantasy photoshop choice of Expert editing.

That's all I'm saying, and at this point it's water under the bridge anyway. :-)
 11/10/2014 08:17:46 AM · #44
Originally posted by glad2badad:


I would have preferred the photography choice of Advanced editing for Lucky 7 V, versus the fantasy photoshop choice of Expert editing.



these fantastical creations require you to understand lighting and photography, otherwise you end up with crap that looks like crap. anyone can take a picture that looks real, the fantastical creations requires skill to make something that isn't real look real.

as much as people wan to cry about it, expert editing doesn't make this or any challenge any easier. the real problem people have is well done expert editing is more appealing to the voters and they feel insignificant going up against it.

11/10/2014 08:31:26 AM · #45
[quote=Elaine] The nice thing about expert challenges is you have a choice. Enter a shot straight from the camera, create something out of many photos, do some basic or advanced processing. You can do as little or as much as you like. When I post on Flickr or Facebook, I try to do enough to make the photo look the way I want it to. I doubt I will ever create art the way some are capable of, but I appreciate being able to use all the tools that are available to me. [/quote

Exactly what I think.
 11/10/2014 08:41:31 AM · #46
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by glad2badad:

I would have preferred the photography choice of Advanced editing for Lucky 7 V, versus the fantasy photoshop choice of Expert editing.

these fantastical creations require you to understand lighting and photography, otherwise you end up with crap that looks like crap. anyone can take a picture that looks real, the fantastical creations requires skill to make something that isn't real look real.

as much as people wan to cry about it, expert editing doesn't make this or any challenge any easier. the real problem people have is well done expert editing is more appealing to the voters and they feel insignificant going up against it.

Okie-dokie.
 11/10/2014 08:56:36 AM · #47
Originally posted by Mike:


the fantastical creations requires skill to make something that isn't real look real.



No offense to Christophe, but this does not look real:



Message edited by author 2014-11-10 08:56:50.
 11/10/2014 09:06:13 AM · #48
Originally posted by LN13:


No offense to Christophe



awesome way to preface a comment.
 11/10/2014 09:35:14 AM · #49
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by LN13:


No offense to Christophe



awesome way to preface a comment.


It's a fantastic (definition: "imaginative or fanciful; remote from reality") creation, but does not look real. Christophe does great work in this realm, but the majority of his work does not look "real" (your word, to which I was responding) to me. While it is clearly originally photo-based, but to me, it has gone beyond a photograph. There is no doubt he has great camera skills: . While many marvel at his Photoshop skills, I wish I had half of his photographic skill. I wish he would enter more non-Expert challenges.

But back to the original premise of the thread, I don't believe Barry was dissing expert editing as a whole. His point was that the description for the challenge did not match the editing level. On that point, it's hard to disagree with him.

11/10/2014 09:49:20 AM · #50
Originally posted by LN13:


But back to the original premise of the thread, I don't believe Barry was dissing expert editing as a whole. His point was that the description for the challenge did not match the editing level.


yes he was.

his point was that Photoshop cheapens photography. i disagree. post processing takes time and effort a lot of people dont put in and then wonder why their images dont look good.

i think a lot of people see the expert editing ruleset and its "oh shit, i actually have to put effort into this challenge."
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