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09/27/2014 04:38:16 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Yes and no. ;-)
It is the same sensor with the Bayer layer removed. That's a huge difference.
Pretty good article explaining it here.
"The red and blue cells in a Bayer camera are used to primarily derive colour information while in the MM all pixels are used solely for luminance information, and therefore the sensor has greater resolution than an equivalent color sensor. In that regard the MM's resolution is at least equivalent to 24 Megapixels in a Bayer camera, other factors excluded."
Originally posted by rooum:
The M Monochrome is the same, slightly played with, CCD sensor as the M9 isn't it? Or it a completely new CCD sensor? |
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Cheers for the link. That does make a lot of sense. |
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09/27/2014 04:55:25 AM · #27 |
Shot from the waist last night in difficult light
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09/27/2014 12:28:56 PM · #28 |
really nice composition with the curves of the wall and floor. the red coat pops, too. Well seen!
Originally posted by MAK:
Shot from the waist last night in difficult light
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09/27/2014 01:19:28 PM · #29 |
Thanks a bunch for these links Mark! The article on using the MM fits me exactly right now. It's like I'm on a reverse course to discover photography all over again. Really working on actually learning what and how a photograph works or doesn't work. When I'm out, I am always looking and trying to train my brain to look for luminance. It's not easy to do because there is SO much color in the world. I've learned that colors usually fall into the mid tone levels in a mono image. So, I am looking for contrast situations, shapes, light, shadows, etc.
 This was an early image I took with the MM and Elmar 18mm 3.8 lens (about 3 weeks ago I guess). I was mostly interested in how the lens would do with resolution in the corners of the frame. I was also interested in how the MM would do with all the details in the grass and scratches in the irrigation wheel and if I could get deep DOF. |
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09/28/2014 05:46:00 PM · #30 |
This was taken on a hike up to a place called Knutetoppen near Kongsberg, Norway. My good friend Jorn wanted a pic of him up here.
M240 and a previous generation 90mm Summicron. Late afternoon light was very harsh, but the detail help up nicely.
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09/29/2014 02:42:50 PM · #31 |
I have a question for the more seasoned Leica users.
On the subject of that "Leica look", if you think there is one, do you think it is more the camera or the lenses or both?
Can you get that Leica look with non-Leica glass?
I would say it has more to do with the optics (micro contrast and such) than sensor or processing.
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09/29/2014 02:53:14 PM · #32 |
| Exactly the lenses but also for me its about the composition of the sniped shot the slight miss focus that all adds up. I have always enjoyed the 'glow' from older leica glass and I used to love the older screw lux 50 even the cron of the 60's had so much character. modern lenses tend to be way too sharp |
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09/30/2014 04:23:11 PM · #33 |
here's another one from my recent trip to Norway. M240 and the 50mm Summicron
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09/30/2014 04:57:10 PM · #34 |
I do apologize for intervening in a forum where the language is all Greek to me but, we all take photographs and I want to get to know a few basic things.
I looked long and hard for an understanding of the Leica look - other than the placing of the eye when shooting or whatever I learned instinctually from Bressonâ€Â¦but, looking at the few examples you gave here my mind cannot identify a Leica look (unless I know the topic), in which case this shot qualifies:
 (tint, shalow DOF, street pictureâ€Â¦.)
I personally liked this a lot but would never recognized it as a Leica shot:
One that befuddles me is this image:  - if asked, I would make a connection with Delacroix for its subject, add a few words on the use of glamour glow, a few more nice words on the diagonal shadow a question mark on the contrast of the face and contour of the hairâ€Â¦.. but where does Leica come in to play a role?
I was fortunate enough to use once or twice a Leica what it seems like centuries ago, but I must say that I did not feel much different; my hands did not tremble I need to add. The sins of youth.
If you don't feel like illuminating a total illiterate on the subject just ignore my question. |
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09/30/2014 05:30:40 PM · #35 |
For me personally it is more about the feel of the camera and the manual focussing of the lens, the rendering glow that some leica lenses produce. I doubt I could actually spot a leica image amongmany others but the leica shooter tends to shoot a certain way. Back in the day Leica cameras were used a lot for street photography or reportage were it was an advantage to have a stealth system with full manaual control, our DSLRs can do this but they tend to stand out like a sore thumb. The problems in identification is made worse by post processing these days as you could effectively make everything look overprocessed with the click of a button.
The buzz with Leica is using the thing, those lenses, the brilliant engineering that goes into making them, a joy to use.
The leica look for me is all about the glow, the missed focus of waistline shot, the natural capture ... hard to explain really unless you've been using one for a year or 3. |
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09/30/2014 05:49:09 PM · #36 |
Great question Mariuca- For me, the Leica look equates to the 3D feel of the image and the "just right balance" of sharpness and out of focus areas.
I have not used my Leica for street shots that very much, I use it for landscape shots mostly now, but once I have more time in my life, I intend to get better at the street side of things.
These are two images I have posted here before that I took after I bought the 50mm Noctilux. This lens is amazing at isolating the subject. Very thin focus plain when you have it wide open.
I'm like MAK, it's hard for me to pick out an image that is a Leica. The differences are getting harder and harder to spot since other lens makers are doing much better jobs these days. Also like MAK, I just really enjoy shooting with it.
I browse all the new images on LFI almost daily, there are some seasoned Leica shooters that post quite a bit, and I can see differences on that site on a lot of the images. |
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09/30/2014 05:51:38 PM · #37 |
As the bequeather of befuddlement I shall respond. I used two cameras on this day, the Leica M240 and a Canon 5D3.
There were qualitative differences between the shots I got from each camera, whether lens or sensor (I suspect lens), in the shot you refer to, I was particularly struck by the warmth and richness of the image. The images from the Canon appear harder to me unless I shoot with my 85mm f/1.2 wide open; then I get the smoothness I hanker for with very low DOF. With the Leica combination, I seem to get smoothness with greater DOF. Now, perhaps it's purely a function of manual focusing - when we focus we place a depth of focus at a 'point' coincident with the space of our subject, perhaps when focussing manually I place my subject towards the back edge of the field when autofocus would place them central? I can see how that might produce such a look. Of course I almost never focus my Canon manually to compare.
So, perhaps the Leica look is a manual focus look coupled with the glow from some lenses...?
Speculation.
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09/30/2014 07:02:25 PM · #38 |
Thank you all very much.
I am somewhat relieved that there is a lot of grey area of sublime subtleties and not an abysmal lack of knowledge on my part.
I agree 100% with Marac on:
"The problems in identification is made worse by post processing these days as you could effectively make everything look overprocessed with the click of a button."
We tend to rely too much on "saving" a shot by processing it or manipulating an image until it's losing all properties. I do recall fondly the dark room times when I was shading portions with my palm during developing, having my own chemical formulasâ€Â¦ but I do adore now photoshop.
This image Dennis has a luminosity and a purity that is hard to attribute only to processing.
Paul, your use of two cameras for a shot is so damn professional (as pretty much all that you do) that I wonder why I babble here with "grownups".
I often heard that "the best camera is the one that's with you" - absolutely right when one talks about street photography. But there are so many other ways to approach photography (not that I want to open a can of worms now about quality, printing etc).
In what I am concerned, I must put in a calendar in gold letter the day when autofocus was invented.
And still, I do have some reflexes left from the old days and with my Fujifilm, subject permitting, I still place the little square of focus where I want it.
I'll follow with interest your experiment with the Rolls Royce of cameras. Thanks again.
PS. Just before acquiring my first digital camera I was using a very old Rolleiflex compur and a new mini Leica z2x but not being able to develop myself film and pics I
was waiting for the new era! I still have these cameras.
When I wrote my enthusiastic comment on this:
 I did not look at the camera used!
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10/10/2014 06:59:42 PM · #39 |
This week I was able to spend an evening in downtown Denver. I managed to get some street portraits with the M240 and 50 Noctilux. I also used the Leica Visoflex EVF2 electronic viewfinder along with focus peaking enabled. This is the first real time I have tried this combination for street portraits. All these are at f/2 except the last which is f/0.95 because it was getting almost completely dark outside. The view finder was really instrumental, for me at least, to get these shots with dead on focus where I wanted it. Very little editing on these images. About 5 minutes each. These images to me, illustrate the "Leica Look".
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10/26/2014 01:59:13 PM · #40 |
| YES!!!! Finally managed to get my Monochrom back |
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10/26/2014 02:02:07 PM · #41 |
| Congrats. I know you had missed it. |
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10/26/2014 03:04:10 PM · #42 |
| Well its not my old one its a new one (4332 clicks) traded it for my M240, I'll use the Fuji XT for any colour work I need to do. |
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10/26/2014 03:29:58 PM · #43 |
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10/26/2014 08:10:50 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Well its not my old one its a new one (4332 clicks) traded it for my M240, I'll use the Fuji XT for any colour work I need to do. |
Well, if you traded your M240 for the MM, then you really did miss it! Congrats on getting it back. Now, tape it to your hands. |
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10/27/2014 05:24:19 AM · #45 |
Actually I should post here that I have a beautiful Arte Di Mano Red leather half case for the M240, A spare Leica Battery and also a Novoflex R-M adapter that I want to sell Maybe one of you M240 owners here would be interested before I shove it on the eBay market, would much rather sell it to someone here.
I can send you photos, if you like. |
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10/27/2014 07:13:45 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Actually I should post here that I have a beautiful Arte Di Mano Red leather half case for the M240, A spare Leica Battery and also a Novoflex R-M adapter that I want to sell Maybe one of you M240 owners here would be interested before I shove it on the eBay market, would much rather sell it to someone here.
I can send you photos, if you like. |
I'd be interested in the battery and the adapter, possibly the case too (though slightly less keen). Can you PM me some prices? |
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10/27/2014 09:45:33 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Paul:
Originally posted by MAK:
Actually I should post here that I have a beautiful Arte Di Mano Red leather half case for the M240, A spare Leica Battery and also a Novoflex R-M adapter that I want to sell Maybe one of you M240 owners here would be interested before I shove it on the eBay market, would much rather sell it to someone here.
I can send you photos, if you like. |
I'd be interested in the battery and the adapter, possibly the case too (though slightly less keen). Can you PM me some prices? |
PM sent, thank you |
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