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Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

05/19/2004 07:19:35 AM · #1

I'm not sure what to do about all the alcohol and cigarette photo's? Vote as normal, but request DQ's? Just glancing thru, there seems to be a lot. I don't want to start requesting DQ's if they are all allowed.

Thanks in advance for your answer :)

Kris

PaulMdx

Canon EOS-1D

05/19/2004 07:23:08 AM · #2

Am I missing something? Why would you need to DQ them?

toddhead

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

05/19/2004 07:27:20 AM · #3

I think he is confused about what is allowed and what isn't. Illegal drugs are not allowed. Cigs and alchohol aren't illegal.

Message edited by author 2004-05-19 07:28:03.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

05/19/2004 07:34:43 AM · #4

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e301

05/19/2004 07:36:20 AM · #5

There was much discussion of this during submission period. apparently somewhere in the rules photos of or about cigarettes and alcohol are specifically not allowed. But I would bet a hell of a lot of money that nothing will be DQ'd simply for portraying them.

Time for someone to really go through the rules with an eye for detail and language and tidy them up so that they say what they mean?

E

PaulMdx

Canon EOS-1D

05/19/2004 07:36:27 AM · #6

There have been a lot of cigarette shots before - look at New Years Resolutions.

e301

05/19/2004 07:38:27 AM · #7

Thanks Hopper. I guess it's only a legal requirement - but that does explicitly state that we are not allowed to post depictions of smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol.

There's an awful lot of retrospective DQ's to be got through before the SC get to the Habits challenge :-)

E

Message edited by author 2004-05-19 07:38:36.

05/19/2004 07:48:03 AM · #8

Originally posted by e301:

There's an awful lot of retrospective DQ's to be got through before the SC get to the Habits challenge

I don't see why there would be any retroactive DQs. Aside from retroactive being patently unfair the wording is rather specific, "encourages or depicts the use of...". Those words right there would allow most if not all of the photos of cigarettes and alcohol on this site.

05/19/2004 07:56:25 AM · #9

A burning cigarette and open (or 1/2 empty) bottle of alcohol is a depiction of use ... no?

05/19/2004 07:59:41 AM · #10

Originally posted by hopper:

A burning cigarette and open (or 1/2 empty) bottle of alcohol is a depiction of use ... no?

05/19/2004 08:10:20 AM · #11

Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Originally posted by hopper:
A burning cigarette and open (or 1/2 empty) bottle of alcohol is a depiction of use ... no?

No

LOL! ... well, if the SC agrees with you then so be it. I'll have no problem handing out 10's if the photo is deserving. Still, I'd like to hear from them.

05/19/2004 08:21:46 AM · #12

Originally posted by hopper:

LOL! ... well, if the SC agrees with you then so be it. I'll have no problem handing out 10's if the photo is deserving. Still, I'd like to hear from them.

I think the rule is to vote on the photo as if it were legal and to go ahead and request a DQ if you think it is not. So if the photo really is a 10 photo but you feel the subject is against the rules give it a 10 and submit the DQ request.

Message edited by author 2004-05-19 08:22:13.

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

05/19/2004 08:43:19 AM · #13

If I know the SC is going to allow them, I don't want to bombard them with requests (roughly 34).

I hope no one (especially you, Techno) thinks I'm attempting to make some kind of a moral stand. I just want clarification before I vote.

Kris

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

05/19/2004 08:44:44 AM · #14

The terms of use working was written as a legal catch-all, but we rarely enforce the alcohol/cigarettes aspect of it (unless promoting to minors, etc).

05/19/2004 08:52:52 AM · #15

Originally posted by hopper:

I hope no one (especially you, Techno) thinks I'm attempting to make some kind of a moral stand. I just want clarification before I vote.

I certainly don't consider it a moral issue and if somebody has a question it only makes sense to ask.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

05/19/2004 08:54:37 AM · #16

:)

thanks manic ... you just saved us both some time :)

shadowangel

Nikon D70

05/19/2004 09:00:01 AM · #17

On my entry, I showed an empty bottle and some keys. Would you all think of that as promoting the use of alcohol?

05/19/2004 09:01:05 AM · #18

I personally wouldn't.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

05/19/2004 09:12:32 AM · #19

Originally posted by shadowangel:

On my entry, I showed an empty bottle and some keys. Would you all think of that as promoting the use of alcohol?

promoting - no, depicting - yes ... either way, I think you'll be ok.

shadowangel

Nikon D70

05/19/2004 09:18:19 AM · #20

I have visited this site for a long time before I summited my first picture. I thought it would be ok.

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

05/19/2004 09:19:56 AM · #21

Just a reminder not to discuss specific images that are still being voted upon... :o)

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

05/19/2004 11:40:02 AM · #22

Originally posted by hopper:

I'm not sure what to do about all the alcohol and cigarette photo's? Vote as normal, but request DQ's?

Kris

In my reading the rules say, paraphrasing, If you think a shot should be DQed vote as if you KNEW it was LEGAL and put in for a DQ. In this case I think the DQ issue has been delt with but I wanted to stress the voting aspect, don't discount your vote because you think it is illegal, let the SC deal with that. You can discount your vote because you think the subject matter is repellant of course.

Kylie

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

05/19/2004 12:40:52 PM · #23

We seemed to agree last week that the key wording in the rules was no "encouraging" the use of drugs or tobacco.