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09/03/2014 02:58:57 PM · #1

I just ran across this page. I find it quite interesting about the percentage of gun owners and what counties / parishes have the most. How accurate the data is I don't know. It does not surprise me that my parish is number 18 on the list.

Gun map

It also reminded me that this weekend is 2nd amendment tax holiday. I need to stock up on ammo, etc.

09/03/2014 03:10:28 PM · #2

its based on percentages, I'd be more interested to see the percentage AND the population of the county.

09/03/2014 03:13:04 PM · #3

Originally posted by Mike:

its based on percentages, I'd be more interested to see the percentage AND the population of the county.

You'd probably get better/more useful information by analyzing population density.

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09/03/2014 03:15:20 PM · #4

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Mike:
its based on percentages, I'd be more interested to see the percentage AND the population of the county.

You'd probably get better/more useful information by analyzing population density.

good point..

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09/03/2014 03:18:36 PM · #5

I'd EXPECT to see high percentages of gun ownership in rural counties, where hunting is a much more prevalent activity. Note that a county in Alaska was #1 on the list, for example. But in any case, population density is the real key here. The guns that people like me worry about are the ones in densely-packed, urban environments.

09/03/2014 03:30:51 PM · #6

Surprising absolutely no one, Louisiana is the state with the highest level of gun violence (and a gun-murder rate more than 2-1/2 times the national average), followed by Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri, Arkansas and Georgia. The same states all rank at or near the top for firearm suicides, violence against women, firearm deaths among children, aggravated assaults with a firearm and gun exports. 8 of those are among the 10 states with the weakest gun laws. See if you can guess from that map which state by itself had over 1,000 more people murdered by guns over the past decade than all U.S. combat deaths in Iraq...

09/03/2014 03:38:04 PM · #7

Originally posted by scalvert:

See if you can guess from that map which state by itself had over 1,000 more people murdered by guns over the past decade than all U.S. combat deaths in Iraq...

the state of denial?

09/03/2014 03:56:00 PM · #8

Originally posted by scalvert:

How about city...That sounds more like chicago

09/03/2014 04:09:34 PM · #9

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by scalvert:
See if you can guess from that map which state by itself had over 1,000 more people murdered by guns over the past decade than all U.S. combat deaths in Iraq...

How about city...That sounds more like chicago

Nope, guess again. Hint: New Orleans has a FAR higher firearm murder rate than Chicago. It's not even close.

09/03/2014 04:14:49 PM · #10

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by scalvert:
See if you can guess from that map which state by itself had over 1,000 more people murdered by guns over the past decade than all U.S. combat deaths in Iraq...

How about city...That sounds more like chicago

Nope, guess again. Hint: New Orleans has a FAR higher firearm murder rate than Chicago. It's not even close.

Interesting...

Can you come up with a list of things these two cities have in common which may have an effect on this outside of gun ownership rates?

Clearly not all areas that have similar rates of gun ownership have this problem, therefore I'm tempted to conclude that the problem lies elsewhere.

09/03/2014 04:26:10 PM · #11

I have a couple of words for New Orleans..... NINTH WARD....

I accidentally wound up in the ninth ward once and it was after dark. The police escorted me out with lights blaring, running red lights and the whole works. That is the type place that is.

09/03/2014 04:28:46 PM · #12

Originally posted by Cory:

Can you come up with a list of things these two cities have in common which may have an effect on this outside of gun ownership rates?

Clearly not all areas that have similar rates of gun ownership have this problem, therefore I'm tempted to conclude that the problem lies elsewhere.

Sure, and maybe you can come up with a list of things outside of overeating and lack of exercise that cause obesity just to avoid the plainly obvious correlation?

09/03/2014 04:33:42 PM · #13

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Cory:
Can you come up with a list of things these two cities have in common which may have an effect on this outside of gun ownership rates?

Clearly not all areas that have similar rates of gun ownership have this problem, therefore I'm tempted to conclude that the problem lies elsewhere.

Sure, and maybe you can come up with a list of things outside of overeating and lack of exercise that cause obesity just to avoid the plainly obvious correlation?

What a disappointing (although expected) answer..

09/03/2014 04:45:43 PM · #14

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Mmm, yeah... not anything like the sunny butterfly meadows of Chicago. It must have been scary with all those slingshots and baseball bats around. Lax slingshot laws, you know. Hey, while you're out buying ammo to fend off the 9th Ward zombies you've armed, maybe you can pick up another data blindfold for Cory?

09/03/2014 05:07:13 PM · #15

Oh Shannon.... I see the data. I was asking you to actually think, to actually go beyond the numbers.. although clearly your position is so weak that you've now resorted to ad hominem attacks instead of reasoned discussion..

I'm honestly disappointed.

09/03/2014 05:30:52 PM · #16

Originally posted by Cory:

Oh Shannon.... I see the data. I was asking you to ignore the numbers.. although clearly your position is evidence-based, so I'm grasping for anything else.

I'm honestly disappointed that I have to beg you for data to support my opinions.

I fixed some typos for you. You're welcome. ;-D

Reasoned discussion on this topic ended years ago, and you've shown zero interest in it.

Message edited by author 2014-09-03 17:33:24.

09/03/2014 05:44:59 PM · #17

Speaking of data , Chicago, and guns. You prob read the Washington Times.

09/03/2014 05:52:53 PM · #18

I think Shannon's response speaks for itself.

09/03/2014 06:32:43 PM · #19

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Speaking of data , Chicago, and guns. You prob read the Washington Times.

Wow, so Chicago began issuing concealed carry permits in 2014 and the deterrent effect was so powerful that crime fell dramatically to a 41 year low the previous year? HAHAHA.

Message edited by author 2014-09-03 18:35:16.

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09/03/2014 08:53:24 PM · #20

I guns were indeed the panacea that some make them out to be, one would think that the USA would be by far the safest place on the planet... sadly, it would seem otherwise.

Ray

09/03/2014 09:23:55 PM · #21

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Speaking of data , Chicago, and guns. You prob read the Washington Times.

Wow, so Chicago began issuing concealed carry permits in 2014 and the deterrent effect was so powerful that crime fell dramatically to a 41 year low the previous year? HAHAHA.

Hey Shannon I offer the same type of data you do

09/04/2014 01:38:49 AM · #22

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I guns were indeed the panacea that some make them out to be, one would think that the USA would be by far the safest place on the planet... sadly, it would seem otherwise.

Ray

They are, in fact, illegal in Mexico... Surprisingly the murder rate has not dropped significantly.

09/04/2014 02:33:48 AM · #23

Originally posted by Cory:

They are, in fact, illegal in Mexico... Surprisingly the murder rate has not dropped significantly.

I'm sure you chose a country overrun with drug violence and ready access to American firearms with little gun control enforcement purely by coincidence, as if a 9 year old couldn't spot the problem with that reasoning. Hey, guns are illegal in Libya!*

*Kindly pay no attention to the relative effectiveness of real gun control regulation in every single country not engaged in drug/military/religious war.

09/04/2014 07:38:58 AM · #24

the article Shannon posted listed many reason why the crime rate fell. new police tactics and my personal favorite a summer jobs program, who knew that giving the folks who commit and fall victim the crime rate something to do besides cause trouble or be in harms way would be a solution?

RayEthier