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04/04/2014 03:00:28 PM · #26 |
| I see a big difference. Mark, have your Frequency Separation Goggles been calibrated? |
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04/04/2014 03:05:17 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Wow... I hadn't done the frequency separation bit before...
I didn't care for the links, but I found this one: frequency separation
Quick and dirty (and would need a bit of adjusting, because I did it really quickly and probably needed to be a little more careful with my selections, but still -- you can get the idea!!
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Wendy, this is worthy of its own tricks and tips thread. |
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04/04/2014 03:27:48 PM · #28 |
| Amy Dresser is considered to be one of the top retouchers in the industry. Her site allows you to see before and after when you mouse over the image. While some of them are interesting, if not "improved", there are a couple where I felt the original was a better image. But it's a very fun technique. |
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04/05/2014 12:23:03 PM · #29 |
as promised, some carving and using my dodge and burn method:
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04/05/2014 12:31:40 PM · #30 |
| Thanks for sharing those, Mike. I really like what this technique does to the eyes. |
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04/05/2014 08:24:23 PM · #31 |
| Is carving the Dodge and burn being done on the tone layer of the frequency separation, or something else? Not having much luck with that term in Google. |
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04/05/2014 10:49:24 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by bmatt17:
Is carving the Dodge and burn being done on the tone layer of the frequency separation, or something else? Not having much luck with that term in Google. |
Matt, frequency separation refers to a technique where color and texture are treated separately on different layers. The link Wendy posted is an excellent one, and uses "dust and scratches" to blur one layer, rather than the more popular "Gaussian blur" method.
"Carving" is a term used to "sculpt" an image using d&b. The usual method for that is to use a layer set to Overlay, with 50% gray, but Mike sets it to "soft light" which I'm finding is much better. I do one layer for burning and one for dodging, as it keeps things more organized. |
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04/05/2014 11:19:43 PM · #33 |
| Thanks, I've used the gaussian blur method a couple times. And I did watch the first part of that video, which was quite informative. There's 2 more parts covering dodge and burn and finishing touches that I haven't got to yet. |
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04/05/2014 11:37:44 PM · #34 |
Use the trial for this //www.imagenomic.com/pt.aspx
Exactly, how to mimic this effect I'm not sure, but I'm sure a lot of the ideas listed so far are great ways to approach it. |
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04/06/2014 01:01:35 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by markwiley:
Wendy -- you might want to edit that. Both images are the before. |
hmmm... probably wasn't much of a difference, then. :)
thanks! |
I must be separator deficient... I prefer the before... looks more natural to me. |
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04/06/2014 04:20:10 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by markwiley:
Wendy -- you might want to edit that. Both images are the before. |
hmmm... probably wasn't much of a difference, then. :)
thanks! |
I must be separator deficient... I prefer the before... looks more natural to me. |
So do I, I prefer people to look like people. |
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04/06/2014 12:58:12 PM · #37 |
The look is both a matter of personal taste, and to what it is applied. In the "fashion" industry you cannot get away without it. Used on street photography it would be a sacrilege.
I like to "enhance" my images with this technique, rather than "transform". It's really a question of degree, and again, personal taste. |
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04/06/2014 01:04:46 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
The look is both a matter of personal taste, and to what it is applied. In the "fashion" industry you cannot get away without it. Used on street photography it would be a sacrilege.
I like to "enhance" my images with this technique, rather than "transform". It's really a question of degree, and again, personal taste. |
and you are quite the expert with your personal and professional decisions... this is only one image... and it's only one opinion (OK 2 ... hahaha). I am interested in this discussion as I know virtually nothing about retouching. |
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04/07/2014 10:04:56 AM · #39 |
i prefer to think of it as digital makeup.
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04/07/2014 12:13:33 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Mike:
i prefer to think of it as digital makeup. |
Or "surgery" :) |
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04/07/2014 12:28:31 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Mike:
i prefer to think of it as digital makeup. |
Or "surgery" :) |
i have many female friends who tell me they wish i could liquify them in real life. |
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04/07/2014 01:47:47 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Mike:
i prefer to think of it as digital makeup. |
Or "surgery" :) |
i have many female friends who tell me they wish i could liquify them in real life. |
FWIW to make landscape images "pop" I use a high-radius Unsharp Mask technique -- I don't know how well it would work for portraits, but it does sometimes have a tendency to blow out fine highlight detail to create a smoother area ... |
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04/07/2014 03:05:08 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Mike:
i prefer to think of it as digital makeup. |
Or "surgery" :) |
i have many female friends who tell me they wish i could liquify them in real life. |
You can...just mix up a 50% lye solution...soak them in it and after a while, they'll be completely liquefied.
Probably not what they had in mind though. |
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04/07/2014 10:30:05 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Mike:
i prefer to think of it as digital makeup. |
Or "surgery" :) |
i have many female friends who tell me they wish i could liquify them in real life. |
You can...just mix up a 50% lye solution...soak them in it and after a while, they'll be completely liquefied.
Probably not what they had in mind though. |
not with these girls ;) |
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