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05/12/2004 11:28:40 PM · #1 |
| Is it considered bad form to respond to comments you get on your challenge pic during voting? Or good form. Or no form at all? Should one wait until after the vote? |
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05/12/2004 11:31:08 PM · #2 |
I'd like to know as well.
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05/12/2004 11:32:31 PM · #3 |
| I would rather people wait till after. Just my opinion though. |
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05/12/2004 11:33:51 PM · #4 |
you can contact the commenter, but then it just idenifies who you are...some times its beter to contact them after the voing is over.
But I have left commens about a pic and the affets in the image. That person contacted me and explaind it was done on purpose and was what they wanted for the end result in their image....so I did go back and change my vote for the better.
So I would say it just depends on the comment and who it came from....
James
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05/12/2004 11:36:30 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by BikeRacer:
Is it considered bad form to respond to comments you get on your challenge pic during voting? Or good form. Or no form at all? Should one wait until after the vote? |
Your discretionary choice.
I may respond to a direct and reasonable question, if I feel that my words are not slated to influence a vote.
I do not, as a rule, respond to what I consider inappropiate questions or queries which can wait for an answer until the challenge is over.
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05/12/2004 11:56:37 PM · #6 |
| I was thinking of pandering to some doubtful comments - hoping to boost my score. But I shouldn't complain, it's a lot higher than my first entry. |
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05/13/2004 12:04:35 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jab119:
you can contact the commenter, but then it just idenifies who you are...some times its beter to contact them after the voing is over.
But I have left commens about a pic and the affets in the image. That person contacted me and explaind it was done on purpose and was what they wanted for the end result in their image....so I did go back and change my vote for the better.
So I would say it just depends on the comment and who it came from....
James |
I would say that is exactly why it should not be. It would be just like if I went in the forum and said such and such is my entry, and this is why it is like this, so vote it higher, etc. A photo should stand on it's own. That's why it is photography and not creative writing. If I was going to hang a print on my wall, I wouldn't want something that needs a little sign attached to it explaining it so it is better appreciated. That is a big part of what makes a photo good, does it give the artists message?
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05/13/2004 12:05:43 AM · #8 |
Personally, I don't see a problem with it. I won't reply to a comment, whether positive or negative, but if someone asks a question, I don't see anything wrong with it.
In my opinion, people will not change their vote based on knowing who the photographer is.
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05/13/2004 12:21:31 AM · #9 |
Personally, I do not have a problem answering people's questions (even though I don't think they should leave questions in the comments in the first place, but that's beside the point). As far as I know, it has always been this way and there is nothing in the rules that says it is illegal. As long as the rules state that it is okay, then I think it's okay, I can't help the reaction you may get for doing so, I'm just saying that it IS legal and that I really don't see anything wrong with it.
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05/13/2004 01:17:24 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
Originally posted by jab119:
you can contact the commenter, but then it just idenifies who you are...some times its beter to contact them after the voing is over.
But I have left commens about a pic and the affets in the image. That person contacted me and explaind it was done on purpose and was what they wanted for the end result in their image....so I did go back and change my vote for the better.
So I would say it just depends on the comment and who it came from....
James |
I would say that is exactly why it should not be. It would be just like if I went in the forum and said such and such is my entry, and this is why it is like this, so vote it higher, etc. A photo should stand on it's own. That's why it is photography and not creative writing. If I was going to hang a print on my wall, I wouldn't want something that needs a little sign attached to it explaining it so it is better appreciated. That is a big part of what makes a photo good, does it give the artists message? |
Here, here! I had someone email me regarding my comment on his/her entry for Something New. They explained what the picture was and even included a link for further context. None of this changed the fact the the photo was made in such a way that I, an objective observer (not an historian), found it to be visually unpleasing and impossible to find a frame of reference for. I am very much for the photo standing on its own merit with no need of exposition. Of course, in order to be appreciated more fully, certain types of photography (photojournalism, nature) benefit from some kind of explanatory caption. Even so, the works of the WPA (for example) are incredibly powerful and moving even if one is not familiar with their historical context. One should not have to explain one's work. As is the case with writing, if enough people in a random population sample do not understand your message, it is not clear enough.
I ignored another reply to some comments I made; the photographer's explanation did not change my opinion it just made me feel defensive. The need to defend one's work is very strong. It is important to stand by choices we feel strongly about but in that case we have to accept that we can't please everyone and let go. If enough people make the same kind of suggestions, however, there might be something to what they are saying. |
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05/13/2004 01:52:05 AM · #11 |
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05/13/2004 10:03:06 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by BikeRacer:
Is it considered bad form to respond to comments you get on your challenge pic during voting? Or good form. Or no form at all? Should one wait until after the vote? |
Yes, it's bad form. Many consider it tantamount to cheating. And yes, wait a few days until voting is finished.
Originally posted by mariomel:
In my opinion, people will not change their vote based on knowing who the photographer is. |
With all due respect mariomel, people do change their vote. It has been told many times in these forums. See the fourth post in this thread, not a change based on who the photog was, but a changed vote nonetheless.
Originally posted by goinskiing:
I do not have a problem answering people's questions (even though I don't think they should leave questions in the comments in the first place, but that's beside the point). |
You are correct that questions in comments are bad form. But given that, where's the logic in saying it's okay to answer them?
Originally posted by goinskiing:
As long as the rules state that it is okay, then I think it's okay |
The rules do not say it is okay, they are silent on this point.
Anonymity is a basic, fundamental and essential element of challenges here at dpc. Without it they would deteriorate to mere popularity contests, or contests to see who can write the most persuasive replies. When anonymity is violated the integrity of the challenge is degraded, not just for those involved, but for everyone entered. Waiting until after voting closes to reply to comments is a very small price to pay to keep the challenges on the highest level of fair competition. |
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05/13/2004 10:21:34 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by BikeRacer:
Is it considered bad form to respond to comments you get on your challenge pic during voting? Or good form. Or no form at all? Should one wait until after the vote? |
Your discretionary choice.
I may respond to a direct and reasonable question, if I feel that my words are not slated to influence a vote.
I do not, as a rule, respond to what I consider inappropiate questions or queries which can wait for an answer until the challenge is over. |
I believe this answer accurately summarizes site "policy" on this issue. |
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05/13/2004 11:10:09 AM · #14 |
I've had three PM's regarding comments I left.
The first two were left in a "not very nice" way.
the third one was left this morning and it pointed out to me what I hadn't seen and then thanked me for making the comment.
I then went back to the photo, looked at it again and adjusted my score accordingly.
Good manners go a long way. |
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05/13/2004 11:44:47 AM · #15 |
I generally feel that you shouldn't contact commenters during the challenge and that maybe comments should be double blind i.e. you don't know who left the comments until after the voting has ended.
However, I am torn right now- I received a comment that makes me think the commenter does not have their monitor adjusted properly to show all of the variations in the shadows. Do I ask them to double check that they can see all the different shades of black on the test pattern at the bottom of the voting screen or just leave it? I'm leaning towards just leaving it. |
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