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11/24/2013 10:07:08 AM · #26 |
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11/24/2013 01:01:02 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
At the end of the day, the majority of these "issues" that you hear documented about any new camera essentially equates to several people in a microcosm that have created their own soapboxes built out of inconsequential crap and nitpicking that in the real world makes little difference and isn't a fraction as odious as they'd want you to think. This inane bickering over this and that is really just a bunch of crap content created by the user base in order to justify its own spending habits and scapegoat against its own shortcomings with the false idea that equipment is the sole determiner of quality output.
So what do I mean by this?
Sure, carefully consider your camera choice. But make a choice and be happy with it. Don't "grass is greener" yourself and get caught up in the hype of this or that shortcoming. The fact of the matter is that most of the products out there are truly VERY good and most of these "huge issues" folks go on about are really more aptly described as "quirks" or "annoyances." The oil spot issue was rather blown out of proportion (like all of these "issues" always are) on all of the Nikons, but it's hardly (imo) something that should dissuade you entirely, especially considering it generally subsides through use. |
Thank you. Wise words.
The other thing to remember is that camera and lens technology has gotten to the point where all the current models (including the better compacts) are capable of producing excellent images, so we (me included) get hung up arguing about nitpicky details, when the truth is that you're probably going to get similar results from anything you buy. The main difference between cameras is in features, not image quality. Since Jason's not needing any particular features except good image quality, he's probably best off just buying whatever's on sale for a good enough price that he can still afford a good lens. |
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11/24/2013 03:21:25 PM · #28 |
| Your Kodak disc is a vintage classic. Hold on to it but so you can have a little more fun with your hobby go out and buy that 5300. It's a damn good camera. |
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11/25/2013 01:53:51 PM · #29 |
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11/25/2013 04:12:10 PM · #30 |
| I'm with you on the whole cleaning the sensor thing Cory but I wouldn't touch that D600 with a 10' pole. Now the D610, on the other hand, is probably a safe bet. |
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12/14/2013 10:14:23 PM · #31 |
| This will get everybody started I am sure, but I don't have much invested in lenses, should I look at something not Nikon? |
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12/15/2013 12:00:38 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
This will get everybody started I am sure, but I don't have much invested in lenses, should I look at something not Nikon? |
I recommend a Phase One P series... ;-)
Seriously though, what do you want to do, and what's the top end of your total system budget? |
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12/15/2013 06:03:47 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
This will get everybody started I am sure, but I don't have much invested in lenses, should I look at something not Nikon? |
I recommend a Phase One P series... ;-)
Seriously though, what do you want to do, and what's the top end of your total system budget? |
Yeah, think about where you intend to go lens wise if you can. That isn't always possible, and many of the lenses are somewhat equivalent price wise, but getting an idea of your expectations is good. There's nothing wrong with changing brands, particularly if you've not got much invested in glass. Honestly a big thing to me is ergonomics and what works for me. I just wasn't into the Canon's I tried out, so if you're able to, I always suggest you go try them out. I know I'm glad I did, but brick and mortar shops are increasingly hard to come by these days. |
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12/15/2013 10:59:07 AM · #34 |
| I haven't read everything here but you might want to check out this thread FS: Nikon D7000... Neil is only asking $525 plus shipping. |
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12/15/2013 11:55:07 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
At the end of the day, the majority of these "issues" that you hear documented about any new camera essentially equates to several people in a microcosm that have created their own soapboxes built out of inconsequential crap and nitpicking that in the real world makes little difference and isn't a fraction as odious as they'd want you to think. This inane bickering over this and that is really just a bunch of crap content created by the user base in order to justify its own spending habits and scapegoat against its own shortcomings with the false idea that equipment is the sole determiner of quality output.
So what do I mean by this?
Sure, carefully consider your camera choice. But make a choice and be happy with it. Don't "grass is greener" yourself and get caught up in the hype of this or that shortcoming. The fact of the matter is that most of the products out there are truly VERY good and most of these "huge issues" folks go on about are really more aptly described as "quirks" or "annoyances." The oil spot issue was rather blown out of proportion (like all of these "issues" always are) on all of the Nikons, but it's hardly (imo) something that should dissuade you entirely, especially considering it generally subsides through use. |
Originally posted by Ann:
Thank you. Wise words.
The other thing to remember is that camera and lens technology has gotten to the point where all the current models (including the better compacts) are capable of producing excellent images, so we (me included) get hung up arguing about nitpicky details, when the truth is that you're probably going to get similar results from anything you buy. The main difference between cameras is in features, not image quality. Since Jason's not needing any particular features except good image quality, he's probably best off just buying whatever's on sale for a good enough price that he can still afford a good lens. |
Another thing to remember......for the most part, when you hear about a problem, that's *ALL* you hear about. You have to retain perspective. Does Nikon have some oil issues? Yes, but it's certainly not all of them, and remember that you are buying a quality product with the backing of one of the best camera companies in the world. Not all of the folks that have those cameras have those issues. You don't hear a peep out of the millions of people who have *zero* problems with theirs.
I work in a John Deere dealer and have to deal constantly with those people who come in and start their complaint off with, "Just Google it......it's a known problem.". Yeah......everyone who wants to bitch is very vocal about it, and if the (insert issue here) doesn't suit them, or meet their expectations, it's a "known issue" if they can find a half dozen other people who think the same way they do. Yes, doing your homework, and seeing who has in fact brought a legitimate issue forth is a good idea, but just remember to keep a perspective. With manufacturing, there will always be bad runs, bad lots, and the occasional outright disaster. That should not, however, tar a whole model if six people get a bad one.
I have two D600s and a D700, and haven't had one iota of trouble with either of them. Technology is still screaming along, too, as I find myself now with "obsolete" units as the D610 & D7100 are out. But my units are still extraordinarily good. And I love them.
The D50 is *still* a good camera......with a refurbishment, and quality glass, you can still take wonderful images in ideal conditions. Today's cameras allow you to get away with a lot more, and shoot where before you could not. So really what you need to do is to carefully figure out what you want to do with your photography and select the camera & lens combination that suits those needs.It does not matter whose name is on the body/lens either......I was amused to have found out the other day that back in the film days,  Bear_Music was a Nikon guy......back at the same time period, I was shooting with a Canon A-1. Brand loyalty really isn't such a big deal; what's important is how the camera feels in your hand, if the controls are easy for you to work & understand, and that the accompanying lenses are what suit as well.
Personally, I advise anyone looking to get a kit started to stay with Canon or Nikon, but that's based on ease, convenience, price, and availability relative to other brands.
Just be as sure as possible before you pull the trigger.........you'll be living with your choice for a while.
Good luck!
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12/15/2013 07:49:41 PM · #36 |
If you are looking for something lightweight then it is worth a look at the micro four thirds mirrorless cameras by Panasonic and Olympus.
Lenses are interchangeable between systems.
Olympus has built in IBIS.
Beautiful sharp images.
Lots of different bodies so that you can choose what suits you most - evf or not etc.
Lenses and bodies are smaller and lighter so easy to carry all day.
I sold all my canon gear to dive into m43 - I went with Olympus. My sister is now doing the same after comparing images from both systems and loving the light weight of the system.
Two girlfriends are in the process of selling off Canon and Nikon gear to go full m43.
Worth a look.
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12/16/2013 01:04:32 AM · #37 |
| I think from what I can find the 7100 is the best value right now. The Pentax K-3 looks interesting as well. I like to hand hold and that image stabilization has me interested. It will probably be one of those two. |
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