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11/24/2013 01:20:20 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I wanted to say much the same thing. There is no DNMC! To vote a photo down because it doesn't match your personal understanding of the challenge is ridiculous. And arrogant. |
I disagree. The onus is on the ENTRANT, NOT the voter. Apparently that makes me arrogant.
How well an image meets a challenge is PART OF THE VOTING CRITERIA and is the sole right of the VOTER to decide. But- we've all hashed this out a gazillion times before, so why go through this ad nauseam? ...and why are we doing it in an old scores thread? |
You spilled your popcorn. |
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11/24/2013 01:36:06 AM · #77 |
This thread is making my head hurt.
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11/24/2013 05:42:30 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Maybe it's just part of the general decline. |
This sentence alone has gotten me into trouble. But I'm only talking about a decline in participation affecting voting patterns. Just a shot in the dark since nobody else was coming up with theories.
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I think this is a very valid theory. The decline in voting is giving us a much smaller pool of votes which has recently thrown up some very interesting results.
For example: Could you ever imagine an image not getting one single 5 vote? actually it only got one vote under 5? And still it did not win the blue ribbon? From my limited research I cannot see any image in the history of the site that did not receive a 5 vote.
I̢۪m putting this image up not for debate regarding the image itself but just to highlight the irregular voting patterns we are now seeing with a much smaller voting pool.
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11/24/2013 07:04:22 AM · #79 |
Low votes on popular images have regularly been called out as troll votes. The inescapable implication is that these votes are seen as neither correct nor proper. I have in the past been called out in forum threads for my low voting average, in spite of the fact that I have never to the best of my recollection given a 1 or 2 vote, and that I have never made a wilful 'spoiler' vote for any reason.
The fact that low votes are becoming rarer may be due to those who give a low vote to a subsequently acclaimed image growing tired of being told how to vote properly, and moving on. It may also be the reason that votes of any kind are becoming rarer. I have never told people voting 10 on images that I thought were rubbish that they were voting wrong, for the simple reason that they aren't.
Message edited by author 2013-11-24 08:16:26. |
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11/24/2013 08:55:12 AM · #80 |
| I don't think voting preferences have really changed over the years. The major change is the decline of participation and voting by participants. With fewer votes each vote becomes more valuable and can swing results. I'm not very active in DPC forums so I'm probably not saying anything new. One thought is requiring challenge participants to vote on every entry. At least the photographers interested enough to enter a challenge would cast a vote. What could be more democratic than that? One thing I don't understand is why a challenge participant feels he can not vote in a challenge he entered. For me, that's part of the learning process. It's interesting to go through a challenge, once it's finished, and see where your votes differed from the averages. Maybe you missed something while voting and realize it after reading some comments. Maybe you would vote the exact same way again and nothing wrong with that. The decline in participation is my biggest concern and not how someone votes. |
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11/24/2013 04:07:13 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by insteps:
One thought is requiring challenge participants to vote on every entry. At least the photographers interested enough to enter a challenge would cast a vote. What could be more democratic than that? One thing I don't understand is why a challenge participant feels he can not vote in a challenge he entered. For me, that's part of the learning process. It's interesting to go through a challenge, once it's finished, and see where your votes differed from the averages. |
I don't know about requiring it, but I agree that I don't understand why participants don't want to vote. It's definitely one of the fun things I do here...... at the end of the challenge, checking to see how my votes matched up(or didn't). Reading comments to see what I missed (or didn't). If I haven't voted or commented how can I judge my own entry in the pool?
For me, too, I guess I feel an obligation to give back if I participate. Maybe that's more the crux of the difference amongst DPC participants now vs 5 years ago.... there are more people here now it seems who are happy with just the entering part. |
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11/24/2013 04:29:16 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by insteps:
One thought is requiring challenge participants to vote on every entry. At least the photographers interested enough to enter a challenge would cast a vote. What could be more democratic than that? One thing I don't understand is why a challenge participant feels he can not vote in a challenge he entered. For me, that's part of the learning process. It's interesting to go through a challenge, once it's finished, and see where your votes differed from the averages. |
I don't know about requiring it, but I agree that I don't understand why participants don't want to vote. It's definitely one of the fun things I do here...... at the end of the challenge, checking to see how my votes matched up(or didn't). Reading comments to see what I missed (or didn't). If I haven't voted or commented how can I judge my own entry in the pool?
For me, too, I guess I feel an obligation to give back if I participate. Maybe that's more the crux of the difference amongst DPC participants now vs 5 years ago.... there are more people here now it seems who are happy with just the entering part. |
I wonder if they feel that they cannot be unbiased in their voting. I find myself much more interested in the challenges in which I'm entered. It's so much more fun to vote on those. After really trying to come up with something interesting, I'm even more impressed with the photos that intrigue me, because I see what I could have/should have done, instead of just seeing a nice photo in a challenge. |
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11/24/2013 04:39:08 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Maybe it's just part of the general decline. |
This sentence alone has gotten me into trouble. But I'm only talking about a decline in participation affecting voting patterns. Just a shot in the dark since nobody else was coming up with theories.
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I think this is a very valid theory. The decline in voting is giving us a much smaller pool of votes which has recently thrown up some very interesting results.
For example: Could you ever imagine an image not getting one single 5 vote? actually it only got one vote under 5? And still it did not win the blue ribbon? From my limited research I cannot see any image in the history of the site that did not receive a 5 vote.
I̢۪m putting this image up not for debate regarding the image itself but just to highlight the irregular voting patterns we are now seeing with a much smaller voting pool.
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Check out this one from the early days, one of the all-time site favorites. Look at the voting pattern on THAT! Are we seeing the first DPC troll? And without the one outlier vote, this would be the highest scorer in DPC history, edging out Langdon's corner-pocket shot. Hrmmmm...(jejeje)
Message edited by author 2013-11-24 17:38:37. |
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11/24/2013 05:36:44 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
[quote=insteps]
I don't know about requiring it, but I agree that I don't understand why participants don't want to vote. It's definitely one of the fun things I do here...... at the end of the challenge, checking to see how my votes matched up(or didn't). Reading comments to see what I missed (or didn't). If I haven't voted or commented how can I judge my own entry in the pool?
For me, too, I guess I feel an obligation to give back if I participate. Maybe that's more the crux of the difference amongst DPC participants now vs 5 years ago.... there are more people here now it seems who are happy with just the entering part. |
I wonder if they feel that they cannot be unbiased in their voting. I find myself much more interested in the challenges in which I'm entered. It's so much more fun to vote on those. After really trying to come up with something interesting, I'm even more impressed with the photos that intrigue me, because I see what I could have/should have done, instead of just seeing a nice photo in a challenge. |
I definitely find myself more interested in the entries, overall, if I have a horse in the race. Maybe that's why I almost always enter.
Feeling biased? That just defeats the thrill of seeing how others reacted to the challenge. Pius I contend... if you want votes and comments, you should give them. |
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11/24/2013 05:44:20 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Maybe it's just part of the general decline. |
This sentence alone has gotten me into trouble. But I'm only talking about a decline in participation affecting voting patterns. Just a shot in the dark since nobody else was coming up with theories.
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I think this is a very valid theory. The decline in voting is giving us a much smaller pool of votes which has recently thrown up some very interesting results.
For example: Could you ever imagine an image not getting one single 5 vote? actually it only got one vote under 5? And still it did not win the blue ribbon? From my limited research I cannot see any image in the history of the site that did not receive a 5 vote.
I̢۪m putting this image up not for debate regarding the image itself but just to highlight the irregular voting patterns we are now seeing with a much smaller voting pool.
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Check out this one from the early days, one of the all-time site favorites. Look at the voting pattern on THAT! Are we seeing the first DPC troll? And without the one outlier vote, this would be the highest scorer in DPC history, edging out Langdon's corner-pocket shot. Hrmmmm...(jejeje)
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wow -- those were the days! It would have been fun being around then -- just like being on facebook and flikr! :) |
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11/24/2013 06:50:43 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
wow -- those were the days! It would have been fun being around then -- just like being on facebook and flikr! :) |
What's flikr? |
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11/24/2013 07:15:13 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
How does a photo of a rodent get second place in a foliage challenge? Without a single vote lower than four? |
1. It meets the challenge by virtue of having a leaf in it, though there was some discussion that "foliage" encompasses the forest, not the tree. Also, and perhaps most significantly, the whole photo has a fall coloring, and a fall light to it. I thought it met the challenge, though on the far edge of the box. :-)
2. Wendy shoots critters at a NatGeo level, and gets 'em published. She's very very good at it.
3. For the literary analogy, Wendy is a best-selling author. Whatever she "writes", sells, and it's because the reader enjoys the story. For poetry, see  skewsme's work, most recently her Body of Water entry. :-)
Every once in awhile, I come up with a half decent short story, but as everyone knows, you can't sell short stories unless you're already a published author. Ha! |
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11/25/2013 12:28:10 AM · #88 |
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Message edited by author 2013-11-25 00:34:43. |
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