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10/21/2013 07:44:43 PM · #1 |
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10/21/2013 08:34:41 PM · #2 |
| Thanks for the link. They are fabulous. It's interesting to read the background stories and understand how much waiting and anticipating the shot is involved. |
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10/21/2013 10:03:25 PM · #3 |
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10/21/2013 11:41:58 PM · #4 |
| Great stuff.... Really love the owl shot! |
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10/22/2013 12:03:01 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Great stuff.... Really love the owl shot! |
It IS a beautiful shot, and it took a lot of planning, but it's interesting how THAT shot is, basically, a studio shot... He studied the owl's flight patterns for days, he set up lights and triggers, he baited the owl with a mouse above the camera... I mean it's great, but...
How about that incredible polar bear underwater shot, where the photographer spent days in a zodiac playing cat-and-mouse with the bear? He talks about how she began showing curiosity, and that allowed him to make the shot happen.
These, for me, are actually the two strongest shots in the challenge, but (along with the snowy macaque shot) they are the ones that are least naturally wild as well...
I'm not sure I'm articulating this well. I'm not trying to take anything away from the shots, they are fantastic, but.... I donno. Certainly, *I* couldn't do that :-) |
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10/22/2013 11:29:03 AM · #6 |
| Bear, I do understand what you mean, in that in a certain sense, they were "set up". However.... what all of these images show is a level of patience and foresight that I could never hope to achieve. All of the photographers spent a lot of time waiting for the right moment, whether they had planned the location, or had happened upon an opportunity. |
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10/22/2013 11:40:34 AM · #7 |
| While I've seen the snowy macaque shots before, they still appeal to me so. Can't imagine the bitter cold the photographer must endure for the hours before he gets the shot he wants. |
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10/22/2013 12:55:08 PM · #8 |
Great images. Thanks for the link. I enjoyed the images a lot.
It's just me, but I consider it unethical to bait owls with mice to arrange their flight for the purpose of a staged photograph. This is especially true for a daylight image for a nocturnal hunter. It happens a lot, so I guess it's an accepted practice. I will give the photographer credit for admitting his technique.
Here in the Western US, there are menageries that charge photogs $3000 a day to photograph captive and drugged raptors and other predators in action. The problem in my mind is the photographers' presentation and description of image captures as being a wild bird/animal photographed in the wild. I'm not too upset about all this. But, it's pretty easy to spot the set up shots. You've all probably seen the mountain lion jumping from rock to rock. It's a set up. What happens to the animal at the end of his/her productive life?
Message edited by author 2013-10-22 12:55:47. |
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10/22/2013 01:44:29 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
What happens to the animal at the end of his/her productive life? |
Not to be overly flippant about the issue (I personally don't care for zoos and most other non-rehab animal facilities), but I suspect that the same thing happens to them at the end of their productive life as would any other animal (including us)..
As for the drugged raptors - are you just relating hear-say, or do you actually have some documented proof this is happening? Haven't ever heard of that practice. |
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10/22/2013 01:53:25 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by hahn23:
What happens to the animal at the end of his/her productive life? |
Not to be overly flippant about the issue (I personally don't care for zoos and most other non-rehab animal facilities), but I suspect that the same thing happens to them at the end of their productive life as would any other animal (including us)..
As for the drugged raptors - are you just relating hear-say, or do you actually have some documented proof this is happening? Haven't ever heard of that practice. |
Yes, it's that outfit up in Montana that puts the snow leopards in front of the group of photogs. They have bears, too. The bears are awake and docile in the snowy landscape during a time when they would be naturally hibernating. |
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10/22/2013 01:58:21 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by hahn23:
What happens to the animal at the end of his/her productive life? |
Not to be overly flippant about the issue (I personally don't care for zoos and most other non-rehab animal facilities), but I suspect that the same thing happens to them at the end of their productive life as would any other animal (including us)..
As for the drugged raptors - are you just relating hear-say, or do you actually have some documented proof this is happening? Haven't ever heard of that practice. |
Yes, it's that outfit up in Montana that puts the snow leopards in front of the group of photogs. They have bears, too. The bears are awake and docile in the snowy landscape during a time when they would be naturally hibernating. |
? Not sure if I understand, are you saying that they also have drugged raptors on display as well? |
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10/22/2013 02:43:55 PM · #12 |
Incredible photographs.
Even more humbled to find out that the photographer of this picture is 14 year old.
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10/22/2013 03:19:36 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Great images. Thanks for the link. I enjoyed the images a lot.
It's just me, but I consider it unethical to bait owls with mice to arrange their flight for the purpose of a staged photograph. This is especially true for a daylight image for a nocturnal hunter. It happens a lot, so I guess it's an accepted practice. I will give the photographer credit for admitting his technique.
Here in the Western US, there are menageries that charge photogs $3000 a day to photograph captive and drugged raptors and other predators in action. The problem in my mind is the photographers' presentation and description of image captures as being a wild bird/animal photographed in the wild. I'm not too upset about all this. But, it's pretty easy to spot the set up shots. You've all probably seen the mountain lion jumping from rock to rock. It's a set up. What happens to the animal at the end of his/her productive life? |
Agreed. Was disappointed to read that the owl shot was staged. |
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10/22/2013 03:31:27 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by vikas:
Incredible photographs.
Even more humbled to find out that the photographer of this picture is 14 year old.
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Yeah, I know!!! |
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10/22/2013 03:55:59 PM · #15 |
| Agree with the staged animal shot. I'm not overly bothered that people do minor baiting like the owl, but I don't consider it a wild shot either. |
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