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09/06/2013 09:18:30 PM · #76 |
Hey, I'll advocate for self driving cars.
I trust computers way more than the rest of the fucking idiots out there.
How many autopilots have been hacked and people sent to their death? None? huh. Seems odd doesn't it?
Ok, ok.
So let's make it easier - how many people a year are killed by autopilot?
Almost none? What, you mean that almost all air accidents occur while under manual control? hmmm.
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Guess the evidence is pretty solidly in the favor of the auto-bots. (yes, I want to call them Auto-bots, it sounds so much better than Vroomba's ). :)
Message edited by author 2013-09-06 21:18:57. |
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09/07/2013 12:07:09 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by HarveyG:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Laws are in place to prevent this irresponsible behavior but they're not enforced. At least not in Boston, but then again these are the most self-centered drivers I've ever seen in my life, and even the cops drive around staring at the touchscreen devices set up in their cars instead of the road.
I walk all over this town with a stroller and it is impossible to make eye contact with any driver around a crosswalk. They are all texting/surfing/whatever. The same camera used to snap photos of people that run red lights should be used to enforce this as well. |
Come to Africa. Stop streets, road rules and seat belts are completely ignored as are pedestrian crossing. No visible policing. One of the highest accident rates in the world. Licences are bought and drivers are incredibly arrogant. Both male and female. |
Looks like SA had a bad one today.
Again though, amazingly videotaped world we live in isn't it? |
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09/07/2013 01:45:13 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by tnun:
We don't raise hackles in Canada. I miss their rudenesses. I seem to remember one was called Her Royal Rudeness but then she crossed some sort of line. |
Did you ever figure out why? was she texting at the time? |
Well, I heard that she was fruitful and multiplied. |
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09/07/2013 03:24:09 AM · #79 |
| Good thread this. I was about to start texting yesterday to announce imminent arrivala, then I though twice and pulled over... |
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09/07/2013 03:34:58 AM · #80 |
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09/07/2013 08:47:06 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The "good" news is that more and more teens are deferring getting a license/driving until they get a bit older. |
That just means that it takes longer for them to learn, and become accustomed to real life driving. |
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09/07/2013 09:05:42 AM · #82 |
gotta disagree with you dave, my oldest, who turns 23 next month, just got her license two months ago, and she's a better, safer driver than my wife, myself or my 19 year old. sometimes a few more years of maturity can help (not to mention watching several of her friends through college get in preventable accidents). i for one am glad my 18 year old son hasn't shown even an interest in it yet, much like his oldest sister. i wonder if my 19 year old getting behind the wheel had something to do with learning bad habits.
sometimes. not all times. no absolutes in this.
i can tell you there will be a household viewing of this video tonight. everyone should see this.
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09/07/2013 10:43:42 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Hey, I'll advocate for self driving cars.
I trust computers way more than the rest of the fucking idiots out there.
How many autopilots have been hacked and people sent to their death? None? huh. Seems odd doesn't it?
Ok, ok.
So let's make it easier - how many people a year are killed by autopilot?
Almost none? What, you mean that almost all air accidents occur while under manual control? hmmm.
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Guess the evidence is pretty solidly in the favor of the auto-bots. (yes, I want to call them Auto-bots, it sounds so much better than Vroomba's ). :) |
Autopilots are far designed to be less vulnerable to intrusion or exploitation than cars today, probably because they're so tightly regulated by the government. There are also a lot fewer planes than cars and it's more difficult to gain access to one. Try getting close to a modern aircraft with an advanced autopilot. A hacker could sit in his living room and wirelessly hack into the Buick parked in his neighbor's driveway. What's even more disheartening is the fact that the automakers don't seem the least bit concerned by this.
I don't doubt that self driving cars are coming, but someone needs to step up and make sure those systems are secured and invulnerable to this kind of exploits and attacks. |
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09/07/2013 01:05:09 PM · #84 |
I, Robot
Enemy of the State
Eagle Eye
Etc., etc.
Most of our "entertainment" regarding "automation" exploits our fear of loss of control, which simultaneously feeds our conspiracy theorists. I think it is healthy to have a background level of distrust, and I do believe that "impenetrable" security of electronics is simply not possible (as long as it needs to be accessed by humans for any reason, there is vulnerability). Real life examples abound (i.e. massive SS# thefts, banks hacked, Snowden et al., etc.). With regard to driving/fully automated cars/massive hijackings... whether we will ever get there is questionable. Whether someone will try, is inevitable. |
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09/07/2013 05:39:02 PM · #85 |
I'm not even going to go close to the autopilot/autobot issue...but I am glad that I waited til I was 25 to get my driver's license and didn't get my first car til I was 33.
Here in Ontario, you are supposed to ensure that any liquor/beer purchases are kept as far away from the driver as possible - usually in the trunk. Why they don't enforce this same rule, for the same reasons, for a driver's phone is beyond me.
Meantime any cop trying to get me for talking or texting while driving is going to be disappointed - I'm such a technopeasant that I've only ever owned one cellphone and really have no serious plans to get another. I do change the radio station while driving, and I can do that and adjust the volume without looking at the keypad. If I eat or drink behind the wheel, it's usually at a stoplight.
Finally, for the stupidest distracted-driving that I've ever heard of...some guy was eating rotisserie chicken with both hands, while driving with his knees on the 417 - the freeway going through Ottawa. He was weaving wildly in and out of lanes at some speed. Think he got slapped with a pretty hefty fine, but that's it :-/ |
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09/07/2013 06:03:29 PM · #86 |
| LOL!!! Just yesterday, I saw this exact same behavior (not rotisserie chicken, but close), eating with both hands and doing about 70 MPH while "steering" with his knees.... That level of idiocy is unfathomable. |
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09/07/2013 07:03:30 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
LOL!!! Just yesterday, I saw this exact same behavior (not rotisserie chicken, but close), eating with both hands and doing about 70 MPH while "steering" with his knees.... That level of idiocy is unfathomable. |
WAY back in the day (we're talking 70's here) I used to rack up tens of thousands of miles in the Far West in mt VW van(s) shooting pictures, sleeping in the van. With the horizontal wheel, they were actually pretty easy to steer with knees, but... I'd be crossing the long, straight desert stretches with not another vehicle in sight for miles and happily reading a paperback book as I went. Usually book in one hand, wheel in the other.
I don't do that anymore... |
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09/07/2013 07:19:41 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by tanguera:
LOL!!! Just yesterday, I saw this exact same behavior (not rotisserie chicken, but close), eating with both hands and doing about 70 MPH while "steering" with his knees.... That level of idiocy is unfathomable. |
WAY back in the day (we're talking 70's here) I used to rack up tens of thousands of miles in the Far West in mt VW van(s) shooting pictures, sleeping in the van. With the horizontal wheel, they were actually pretty easy to steer with knees, but... I'd be crossing the long, straight desert stretches with not another vehicle in sight for miles and happily reading a paperback book as I went. Usually book in one hand, wheel in the other.
I don't do that anymore... |
Ah, Bear. Those early memories. When I and the New York State Thruway were young and I had a little MG TD, I got bored silly driving on it and broke out the book. The sensitive steering on the MG made that an instant no-go. My solution was to seek out more interesting roads. |
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09/07/2013 09:36:42 PM · #89 |
Totally agree. Sirens exist in some music as well.
Originally posted by ciaeagle:
While we're banning things can we also outlaw radio stations that use sirens in their programming? It's bad enough when the sirens can't be heard but to cry "wolf" is a dangerous thing too... |
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