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05/09/2004 06:02:50 AM · #26 |
RE: Low ball voting.
Do scores in open challenges always jump about 0.2 at the end as malicious voters are weeded out?
I've never paid proper attention right at the end. |
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05/09/2004 08:31:47 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by budokan:
RE: Low ball voting.
Do scores in open challenges always jump about 0.2 at the end as malicious voters are weeded out?
I've never paid proper attention right at the end. |
Yes, I have often seen a jump at the end of a challenge. |
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05/09/2004 08:47:00 AM · #28 |
| When you're in the middle of the pack, there just won't be many comments, especially with so many entries. That is not as frustrating as "fringe" votes (1,2,9,10) with no comment/explanation/reason. I suggest setting up where these votes can not be accepted without comments. Maybe it would help offset the "Troll" factor. :-) |
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05/09/2004 09:57:35 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
When you're in the middle of the pack, there just won't be many comments, especially with so many entries. That is not as frustrating as "fringe" votes (1,2,9,10) with no comment/explanation/reason. I suggest setting up where these votes can not be accepted without comments. Maybe it would help offset the "Troll" factor. :-) |
Nope. All they'll do is either vote 3's and 8's (so they don't have to leave comments) or leave meaningless comments. Forced commenting leads to poor-quality or meaningless comments. We already know this from past experience.
-Terry
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05/09/2004 11:05:24 AM · #30 |
Look and you will USUALLY find that the distribution of scores for your images is a nice bell curve with a few 1s and 2s at the bottom and a few 9s and 10s (from friends, of course) at the top. That is exactly what you'd expect from a diverse group like DPC.
Ask yourself - Does an occasional vote of 1 really matter? Consider this. A 1 will subtract about 0.0199 from an image with an average score of 5.0000 after 200 votes. A 10 will add about 0.0249 to an image with a 5.0000 average after 200 votes.
Your average score is the single most important "comment" on your work. Few "actual" comments you get here are truely constructive. As has been pointed out many times before you can often get conflicting comments from individual voters when you get them.
Therefore, when you get a score lower than you think you deserve compare your image to the ones at the top. That will teach you more about what is wrong with your image than most comments you will receive.
And guess what? - It always boils down to photographic fundamentals like content, framing, contrast, color, DOF, perspective, focus, the ROT, technical quality and photographic subject which combine to produce PHOTO INTEREST to the viewer!
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05/09/2004 11:19:00 AM · #31 |
This Pcture received 7 ones and 5 twos...throw those out..or maybe a higher total vote.. for those 12 votes and voila...a Ribbon....lol..that's the breaks... |
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05/09/2004 11:26:04 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
This Pcture received 7 ones and 5 twos...throw those out..or maybe a higher total vote.. for those 12 votes and voila...a Ribbon....lol..that's the breaks... |
The thing is that it happens on most ALL photos, if you throw out those "malicious votes" then it would mess up years of statistics because even winning photos over the last couple of years have had ones, twos and threes. If this happened to everyone, it would just bump up the average. You see, if people complain about an average score of 3s and 4s, then they would just complain and 4s and 5s. The winners insted of being 6s, 7s, and the occassional 8, would be 7s, 8s, and the occassional 9. You see what I mean. You got the score you got because thats what the people gave you. The same thing goes for the winners, and thats why they win. So statistcally, the current voting systems works, go ahead and ask the winners as well. If you win you win, good job, if you don't, well, keep trying and don't give up.
Just my $0.02
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05/09/2004 11:57:28 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Note there are also mechanisms on the site to catch "low-ball" voting.
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These mechanisms should also catch "high-ball" voting. |
They do. |
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05/09/2004 12:54:56 PM · #34 |
Good or bad comments can help develop the creative mind and is considered by me a very usefull guidance.
We all have the same chance to get 1's as we do to get 10's
my first ever challenge was Rusted and is on 5.2 i think
My next is in Opposites. If i get a 1 with an explanation on where i went wrong I feel that is better than getting a 10 with no comment. I had 12 comments to date on Rusted and they were all very helpfull and helped me re-think my stratergy for the next challenge Opposites.
At the end of the day .... this is the internet. |
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05/09/2004 02:00:56 PM · #35 |
Like most of us, I absolutely hate it when I get a low score. But, I have to admit, every one of my pictures has gotten the exact score it deserved. There's a challenge, I try to meet the challenge, and I toss my entry into the internet so that 200-400 voters can do with it what they will. I have no ability to influence them other than my entry. My extraordinary good looks, my deep resonant voice, my wonderful images in the past, my fantastic intentions with this image, all of that is meaningless. The only thing that matters is how these anonymous people, sitting at their monitors in the middle of the night (or whenever) react to my entry in the few nanoseconds it takes to appear on their screen. If, in THEIR collective opinion, I've done well, then my score will be high. If not, it will be low. I try to remember (in both instances) that this score simply measures what 200-400 anonymous people in cyberspace think of my picture -- nothing more, and nothing less. It has nothing to do with what I think of the picture.
I wish there were more comments, but there will only be what there is. In the meantime, I can study the top 15% and really learn a lot. Don't need comments to do that!
Of course, the reason for MOST of my low scores is related to not having the right camera, but let's not go there right now. LOL |
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05/09/2004 02:17:38 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by tfarrell23:
This Picture received 7 ones and 5 twos...throw those out..or maybe a higher total vote.. for those 12 votes and voila...a Ribbon....lol..that's the breaks... |
If you work out the numbers (which are slightly different from the actual score for some reason) and throw out those 12 scores you still do not make it to a ribbon but do move up one position and get close to 4th.
However, it is unreasonable to think that would happen based on your bell curve. Based on that it would be more resonable to throw out 5 1s at best. I that case you still move up to 5th, but no where near 4th.
Final conclusion:
An excessive number of 1s, as in this case, has minimal effect.
I'd say those excessive ones came from the "fails to meet the challenge" folks. The image itself is high quality.
BTW, this particular image was one of my top three choices for this challenge. It is a terrific photograph!
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