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05/15/2013 10:20:32 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I thought for certain it must be. The good General however, seemed to take it as an honest alternative suggestion to my false dichotomy. |
It IS a suggestion. Nobody said anything about "honest". Wheat 'n chaff, my good man, winnow away :-) Even in the bitter lees and sediment new discovery may lie, if I may mix metaphors... |
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05/15/2013 10:24:28 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I thought for certain it must be. The good General however, seemed to take it as an honest alternative suggestion to my false dichotomy. |
It IS a suggestion. Nobody said anything about "honest". Wheat 'n chaff, my good man, winnow away :-) Even in the bitter lees and sediment new discovery may lie, if I may mix metaphors... |
I like my chardonnay buttery, so value in the lees there is, but forget to bottle it, and you'll have naught but poorly created vinegar. |
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05/15/2013 10:36:31 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I like my chardonnay buttery, so value in the lees there is, but forget to bottle it, and you'll have naught but poorly created vinegar. |
Well, even so, you're still wrong on this one. Limited numbers of "well thought out proposals" is what you get when people draw on past experiences and established technologies and so forth. It doesn't help when the swan's black, so to speak. You're more likely to have one truly creative, paradigm-shifting idea when you tell people not to worry about seeming like idiots and start throwing ideas against the metaphorical wall. The trick, of course, is finding an approach that enables the selection of the truly original, workable problem-buster :-) |
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05/15/2013 10:41:45 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I like my chardonnay buttery, so value in the lees there is, but forget to bottle it, and you'll have naught but poorly created vinegar. |
Well, even so, you're still wrong on this one. Limited numbers of "well thought out proposals" is what you get when people draw on past experiences and established technologies and so forth. It doesn't help when the swan's black, so to speak. You're more likely to have one truly creative, paradigm-shifting idea when you tell people not to worry about seeming like idiots and start throwing ideas against the metaphorical wall. The trick, of course, is finding an approach that enables the selection of the truly original, workable problem-buster :-) |
Yes, I agree. That was precisely my point though, if you've got 100 ideas, and buried among them is a real gem, you've still yet to tell me how we find that gem. I've learned that executing one good idea is far better than burying one amazing idea among hundreds of others.
I do understand the benefits of thinking without the restrictions, but because of that limitation, there is a certainty that almost all of that which is produced will be useless - and the real work is actually sorting the wheat from the chaff, not sowing the field. |
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05/15/2013 11:22:01 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I like my chardonnay buttery, so value in the lees there is, but forget to bottle it, and you'll have naught but poorly created vinegar. |
Well, even so, you're still wrong on this one. Limited numbers of "well thought out proposals" is what you get when people draw on past experiences and established technologies and so forth. It doesn't help when the swan's black, so to speak. You're more likely to have one truly creative, paradigm-shifting idea when you tell people not to worry about seeming like idiots and start throwing ideas against the metaphorical wall. The trick, of course, is finding an approach that enables the selection of the truly original, workable problem-buster :-) |
Yes, I agree. That was precisely my point though, if you've got 100 ideas, and buried among them is a real gem, you've still yet to tell me how we find that gem. I've learned that executing one good idea is far better than burying one amazing idea among hundreds of others.
I do understand the benefits of thinking without the restrictions, but because of that limitation, there is a certainty that almost all of that which is produced will be useless - and the real work is actually sorting the wheat from the chaff, not sowing the field. |
Anyway, the thing of it is you seem to be trying to paint the General into a corner that doesn't actually exist in his statement. He never said anything about stopping halfway, at the ideas-generated stage. His only point was that experience and research have shown that you're more likely to get a game-changing idea by.... etc etc. NOW you say you agree with that, and you agree with my statement about wheat and chaff, more or less implying that the Generals not ON that train, and I disagree with you there. You're creating an argument where no argument exists :-) |
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05/15/2013 11:30:39 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I like my chardonnay buttery, so value in the lees there is, but forget to bottle it, and you'll have naught but poorly created vinegar. |
Well, even so, you're still wrong on this one. Limited numbers of "well thought out proposals" is what you get when people draw on past experiences and established technologies and so forth. It doesn't help when the swan's black, so to speak. You're more likely to have one truly creative, paradigm-shifting idea when you tell people not to worry about seeming like idiots and start throwing ideas against the metaphorical wall. The trick, of course, is finding an approach that enables the selection of the truly original, workable problem-buster :-) |
Yes, I agree. That was precisely my point though, if you've got 100 ideas, and buried among them is a real gem, you've still yet to tell me how we find that gem. I've learned that executing one good idea is far better than burying one amazing idea among hundreds of others.
I do understand the benefits of thinking without the restrictions, but because of that limitation, there is a certainty that almost all of that which is produced will be useless - and the real work is actually sorting the wheat from the chaff, not sowing the field. |
Anyway, the thing of it is you seem to be trying to paint the General into a corner that doesn't actually exist in his statement. He never said anything about stopping halfway, at the ideas-generated stage. His only point was that experience and research have shown that you're more likely to get a game-changing idea by.... etc etc. NOW you say you agree with that, and you agree with my statement about wheat and chaff, more or less implying that the Generals not ON that train, and I disagree with you there. You're creating an argument where no argument exists :-) |
Possibly so.
In any case, the problem with all of this is that every solution has negative consequences. |
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