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05/14/2013 07:53:38 AM · #5

i am 100% for abortion but once the baby is born i think its past the cutoff date.

blindjustice

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05/14/2013 08:20:43 AM · #6

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Message edited by author 2013-05-14 10:28:52.

spiritualspatula

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05/14/2013 10:01:02 AM · #7

Granted, it is Jezebel, but some valid points here. As has already been said, "First, it's important to remember no one (besides his lawyer) is on Gosnell's side."

escapetooz

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05/14/2013 10:33:15 AM · #8

Originally posted by docpjv:

Bringing up that case to talk about abortion in general is like bringing up this one to talk about plastic surgery. (Ok that is an extreme exaggeration. :P ) In any case, there is the issue, and the laws, and then there are cases that have nothing to do with the issues and the laws but with people doing bad things.

So which do you want to discuss? The case, or abortion in general? Because I think abortion has been debated elsewhere in the forums.

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05/14/2013 10:38:41 AM · #9

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Granted, it is Jezebel, but some valid points here. As has already been said, "First, it's important to remember no one (besides his lawyer) is on Gosnell's side."

Ahhh I see. That article makes a lot more sense to me. I don't think I was really getting it from the CNN one what the full story is. Short attention span for jargon.

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05/14/2013 04:13:35 PM · #10

It does reveal an interesting philosophical paradox where had the doctor done his job and killed the baby before it was born we would deem it "legal" and, yet, because he botched the job and then killed the baby after it is now capital murder. Not many situations have such extremely discrepant consequences for such a thin line of difference.

scarbrd

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05/14/2013 05:13:31 PM · #11

I don't believe anyone is "for" abortion.

The issue for me is who makes medical decisions involving one's own body?

"White guys in business suits" is the wrong answer.

cowboy221977

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05/14/2013 05:47:15 PM · #12

Man Ive been trying to stay out of this one.

I am neither for or against abortion... If a woman has been raped and gets pregnant or if the mothers life is in jeapardy then I believe it is the right thing to do. However, aborting a child like this doc that has now recieved life in prison, is plain murder. It is no different than walking into a buisness and shooting someone. It is absolutely wrong.

I personally am against abortion for the most part. I believe that if a woman/man get pregnant and they don't want to have the child they should put that child up for adoption. On the case of rape...it was not the womans decision to have sex or not use protection.

On the religeous side....I am just a mortal man. It is not up to me to tell a woman what to do with her body. I also believe that the individual that had the abortion will have to answer to St Peter at the gates of heaven.

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05/14/2013 06:01:33 PM · #13

Ouch. Testimony from Alisa LaPolt Snow, the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates before the Florida congressional committee hearing:

"So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because Iâ��m almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd. "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?â��

"We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

I realize she is a lobbyist so, like the NRA lobbyists, is going to feel they can NEVER give an inch no matter what (isn't that what's broken with politics today?), but this is disturbing.

cowboy221977

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05/14/2013 06:05:25 PM · #14

I would like to add...I absolutely do not believe that tax payers should pay for an abortion. I believe that should %100 be on the patient.

I think planned parenthood should be un-funded as well (I think they still get govmt funding)

05/14/2013 06:13:00 PM · #15

What we don't need is more unwanted babies in this world. Sounds harsh I know but I'm for making abortion fully accessible to anyone that wants it, taxpayer funded if need be.

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05/14/2013 06:18:53 PM · #16

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

You wanna pay for and raise those kids?

Or are you just looking for new targets to shoot at in fifteen to twenty years?

cowboy221977

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05/14/2013 06:20:20 PM · #17

Adoption....the kid might have a chance......

05/14/2013 06:22:17 PM · #18

Feeling unwanted their whole life? No thanks.

05/14/2013 06:27:02 PM · #19

It's sorta disconcerting when we think we can sit here and speculate, "you know kid, you're better off dead"...

05/14/2013 06:28:19 PM · #20

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Adoption....the kid might have a chance......

Who's going to do the adopting? You?

There are far more unwanted babies than there are adoptive parents, and even if the number of potential adopters was high enough, there is still a massive amount of red tape.

Nope.

I'm 100% in support of abortion, I think they should not only be free, but I think we should approach it like plasma donation - pay for abortion.

Why should any child grow up unwanted, and unloved? Why should the world bear an even greater burden than it already bears? (and make no mistake, it is already unsustainable)..

I grew up with a mother who often told me she should have had an abortion, frankly, growing up as an unwanted child also helps me to support abortion, I don't really think it's healthy to grow up with a mother who resents you 'ruining' her life and body, and acting out her hate in a passive aggressive manner.

Seriously, make it free, or make it pay, but just abort and save everyone the trouble, the one thing we most certainly don't need more of is humans, the thing we do need more of is wanted and well loved humans.

05/14/2013 06:31:50 PM · #21

I agree, I have two kids and I can't imagine anyone not wanting their kids. But this country is f'd up.

05/14/2013 06:32:41 PM · #22

Holy cow, Cory. You'd look good in a pair of jackboots, dude. Sometimes you are more than a little over the top.

05/14/2013 06:32:50 PM · #23

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

It's sorta disconcerting when we think we can sit here and speculate, "you know kid, you're better off dead"...

It's even more disconcerting that some of us can sit here and say "you know kid, nobody really wanted you, and you're nothing more than a burden to those who are apparently supposed to love you, but I don't think killing is right, so here, have a fucked up life, deal with it, and you are expected to somehow miraculously not end up as a horrible person. Good luck"

Ever worked at a job where you felt unwelcome, unliked, and generally like you didn't belong? Now imagine that as your entire childhood, and remember that you don't have a loving mother to go cry to about it - you're on your own, in your shanty room, you can think about that while you wonder where you mother is and if she's going to remember to feed you tonight.

For you to say that it's always better to be born tells me that you lack the experience to know exactly why you're absolutely dead wrong.

05/14/2013 06:40:41 PM · #24

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Holy cow, Cory. You'd look good in a pair of jackboots, dude. Sometimes you are more than a little over the top.

*shrug*

Did your mom shoot your dad?

She ever beat you unconscious?

Was your mother a crystal meth addict?

Did your mother actually enjoy physical violence?

..

Mine is all of that and much more. Over the top? Honestly really don't even have a clue, I'm being quite restrained.

Thank god my dad is one of the most amazing people on this planet, but the times when he was gone for a year or two here and there were pretty awesomely horrible.

So, while you see me as "over the top", I see you as suburban-ignorant - I don't honestly think you know much at all about the world I grew up in during some periods of my life. I suppose I'm happy for you, but I do wish that you'd realize that you don't really know half as much as you think you do. Growing up as a well loved child in a financially stable household with two parents who aren't beating the shit out of each other until 3am every night is a poor primer for understanding why sometimes it's better for everyone if the kid is never born.