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05/06/2004 12:45:03 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Kendan:
Well here goes my first post;)
First of all all of you people bashing this guy should go back and read the thread over. Because he stated that he submitted it before he found out the date was wrong. Then when he was stating about forgetting to check in the future he was making a joke about a personal problem he has. I just can not believe the fercity with which you are attacking him without even the decency to read what he wrote. You are just assmuning he took the picture and found out the date was wrong and then submitted it. Which is not what he said happened. I am sure he got the point you were trying to make but with the personal attacks you forced him to try and defend himself then the more he did the more you guys attacked him. You should be ahsamed of yourselves. Now can you guys go back to what you do which is take pictures and help people get better at taking pictures. I suggest you start a new thread with the picture you want comments on because you are not going to get it in this thread:( |
No one is bashing.
This person is actually laughable because she/he is not even reading the responses clearly or all the way thru.
He/She is getting all worked up for nothing.
The date thing was only re-stated for clarity sake for anyone reading this thread.
I just have to laugh. Sorry, but I have better things to do than this. |
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05/06/2004 12:46:16 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by Kendan:
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by KarenB:
melismatica: I think you must be posting responses as you read the thread. Hopefully by the time you get to the end here, you will see that we have responded repeatedly about the non-cheating thing.
Cheers. |
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Are you now laugjhing at him for defending himself post by post? |
Stop it! LOL
I am laughing because the mininterpretation can be nothing but laughable.
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05/06/2004 12:46:42 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by Kendan:
Well here goes my first post;)
First of all all of you people bashing this guy should go back and read the thread over. Because he stated that he submitted it before he found out the date was wrong. Then when he was stating about forgetting to check in the future he was making a joke about a personal problem he has. I just can not believe the fercity with which you are attacking him without even the decency to read what he wrote. You are just assmuning he took the picture and found out the date was wrong and then submitted it. Which is not what he said happened. I am sure he got the point you were trying to make but with the personal attacks you forced him to try and defend himself then the more he did the more you guys attacked him. You should be ahsamed of yourselves. Now can you guys go back to what you do which is take pictures and help people get better at taking pictures. I suggest you start a new thread with the picture you want comments on because you are not going to get it in this thread:( |
No one is bashing.
This person is actually laughable because she/he is not even reading the responses clearly or all the way thru.
He/She is getting all worked up for nothing.
The date thing was only re-stated for clarity sake for anyone reading this thread.
I just have to laugh. Sorry, but I have better things to do than this. |
Then why are you still posting in this thread? For the pure fun of it I assume. |
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05/06/2004 12:47:26 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by Kendan:
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by KarenB:
melismatica: I think you must be posting responses as you read the thread. Hopefully by the time you get to the end here, you will see that we have responded repeatedly about the non-cheating thing.
Cheers. |
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Are you now laugjhing at him for defending himself post by post? |
Stop it! LOL
I am laughing because the mininterpretation can be nothing but laughable. |
Whos misinterpretation? Yours? |
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05/06/2004 12:48:02 PM · #55 |
To make the point.
You shouldn't assume.
Message edited by author 2004-05-06 12:48:16. |
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05/06/2004 12:48:56 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
Originally posted by melismatica:
[quote=mk] Knowingly cheating, regardless of how well your photo will place, is not only rude and disrepectful to your fellow members, it is grounds for suspension from DPC. Hopefully you will adopt a less flippant attitude next time around. |
It was this phrase:
Originally posted by melismatica:
I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway |
that triggered this.
Well, no one accused anyone of cheating.. but at the same time, we want people to understand that we do take the date/time seriously. |
I beg to differ. When comments like, "knowingly cheating" are directed toward you that pretty much implies you are being called a cheater. The implication was also that I was rude and disrespectful. I didn't know at the time of the entry that the date was set wrong. I only checked it after I submitted it. Since I knew I wasn't cheating, I felt fine about leaving my entry in. I wasn't even sure that my camera was actually set wrong because when I put the photo in IPIX it gave me the correct date. Since I'm new to this, I figured that I had a good chance the proof showed the right date also.
Believe me, after the flak I've gotten over that comment, I WILL NEVER EVER DO IT AGAIN! OKAY?
Actually, I don't even think people are reading my original post. They are just skimming the quote and reading the responses based on the first reaction by karenb who, based on her comment regarding the sarcastic comment I made, seems to be a very literal minded person. I'm not surprised a misunderstanding arose out of that kind of thinking.
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05/06/2004 12:50:00 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by KarenB:
To make the point.
You shouldn't assume. |
And what point would that be?
Edit:
You shouldn't either!
Message edited by author 2004-05-06 12:50:53. |
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05/06/2004 12:51:03 PM · #58 |
I think what people are objecting to is that you didn't request your own photo be withdrawn, once you realized it had the wrong date/time stamp. You didn't expect a DQ request; understandable. And you are new here, so you probably don't know the history of this type of thing! Succinctly: Lots of debate. Anyway, you'll know better if it happens again. Maybe it's just time to declare "mea culpa" and move on to the next challenge. After fixing your date/time thingy, of course!
Regarding comments: You can ask for them, but I wouldn't expect or demand them. We're all volunteers here, and people will comment when they are moved to. I find I get just as much from making comments on others' work as receiving them on my own.
Originally posted by melismatica:
Originally posted by bestagents:
Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D
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I am not sure what you intended from your post, but what i read is that you thought it was OK to violate the rules as long as you were not going to score well? So it is not cheating unless you are caught?
If that mindset is pervasive it might explain why we are getting so many DQ's when proof is requested. Makes me wonder if maybe 40% of the entries are illegal!
chris |
I don't know why I keep bothering to defend my character but here goes again, I DID NOT CHEAT! I took the photo in the time frame given. I took it on April 29th, 2004. I was unaware that my camera had a time/date stamp and that it was set to sometime in 1999. I discovered this after I submitted my photo when I read the adendum to the editing rules and there was a caution to remember to set the time/date stamp correctly. When I checked this, I saw that it was incorrect but I decided to keep my entry in the challenge. I know when I took the photo so I can sleep securely in the knowledge I'm not a cheater. My daughter, the subject of this photo, was born in 1990. She is quite obviously not 9 years old in this photo as the date in the original would suggest. I made a error in judgement, that is all. I didn't care about the ribbon I knew I wasn't going to come close to winning. I just wanted some comments and suggestions people. I want to learn. And yet, has anyone made any in spite of my sincere request? I've just checked and coohar has been gracious and left me a nice comment. Mostly, I'm having my character attacked over a technicality. Not cool, folks. It's only my second submission. I just want some feedback. Is that so wrong? |
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05/06/2004 12:51:26 PM · #59 |
You've made your point over and over.
This (Kendan) is why this is laughable.
You have to see that this has gone beyond what it should have.
Melismatica, you should also know that typing in capitals is considered shouting.
I am not trying to mock you.
I am trying to show you that we already answered you repeatedly. |
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05/06/2004 12:52:29 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by cmangis:
I think what people are objecting to is that you didn't request your own photo be withdrawn, once you realized it had the wrong date/time stamp. You didn't expect a DQ request; understandable. And you are new here, so you probably don't know the history of this type of thing! Succinctly: Lots of debate. Anyway, you'll know better if it happens again. Maybe it's just time to declare "mea culpa" and move on to the next challenge. After fixing your date/time thingy, of course!
Regarding comments: You can ask for them, but I wouldn't expect or demand them. We're all volunteers here, and people will comment when they are moved to. I find I get just as much from making comments on others' work as receiving them on my own.
Originally posted by melismatica:
Originally posted by bestagents:
Originally posted by melismatica:
I've already been disqualified. I don't know what made someone send a DQ request on mine. I got disqualified for the time/date thing. I read about checking the time/date stamp after I had taken my shots. But i figured I wasn't going to come close to a ribbon, so who would bother asking for proof? I just wanted the comments anyway. Out of 96 votes (last I checked before I was DQd) I only got one comment. I'm mystified by what made someone think I cheated (since they couldn't know about my time/date stamp problem).
Here's the entry and the original. Of course, any comments or critiques are truly appreciated. If you've seen these posted on another thread, forgive me for being repetitive and ignore me. :D
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I am not sure what you intended from your post, but what i read is that you thought it was OK to violate the rules as long as you were not going to score well? So it is not cheating unless you are caught?
If that mindset is pervasive it might explain why we are getting so many DQ's when proof is requested. Makes me wonder if maybe 40% of the entries are illegal!
chris |
I don't know why I keep bothering to defend my character but here goes again, I DID NOT CHEAT! I took the photo in the time frame given. I took it on April 29th, 2004. I was unaware that my camera had a time/date stamp and that it was set to sometime in 1999. I discovered this after I submitted my photo when I read the adendum to the editing rules and there was a caution to remember to set the time/date stamp correctly. When I checked this, I saw that it was incorrect but I decided to keep my entry in the challenge. I know when I took the photo so I can sleep securely in the knowledge I'm not a cheater. My daughter, the subject of this photo, was born in 1990. She is quite obviously not 9 years old in this photo as the date in the original would suggest. I made a error in judgement, that is all. I didn't care about the ribbon I knew I wasn't going to come close to winning. I just wanted some comments and suggestions people. I want to learn. And yet, has anyone made any in spite of my sincere request? I've just checked and coohar has been gracious and left me a nice comment. Mostly, I'm having my character attacked over a technicality. Not cool, folks. It's only my second submission. I just want some feedback. Is that so wrong? |
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I will agree he is new but if I am not mistaken he asked for the cokmments and suggestions in this thread. |
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05/06/2004 12:55:34 PM · #61 |
| wow. I just want to clear up that I did not accuse anyone of cheating. I did however say that a photo will illegal date stamp was knowingly submitted to a challenge, and that to me is inconsiderate in the way that it is a waste of time for everyone once the photo is DQed. Ok, that being said, I have left comments on the photo, in hopes that this could help out, and I do hope that in the future EVERYONE will check the dates on their camera, and in the unfortunate circumstance that it may be off...submit it to the forums for review, and NOT in a challenge where the valid EXIF date stamp is MANDATORY. Ok. I will apologize if anyone took anything I said as offending, nothing is meant that way, and I'd like to see this fall off the face of the home page. I think people are misunderstanding what is trying to be said, and that is causing a rucus. |
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05/06/2004 12:58:08 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
wow. I just want to clear up that I did not accuse anyone of cheating. I did however say that a photo will illegal date stamp was knowingly submitted to a challenge, and that to me is inconsiderate in the way that it is a waste of time for everyone once the photo is DQed. Ok, that being said, I have left comments on the photo, in hopes that this could help out, and I do hope that in the future EVERYONE will check the dates on their camera, and in the unfortunate circumstance that it may be off...submit it to the forums for review, and NOT in a challenge where the valid EXIF date stamp is MANDATORY. Ok. I will apologize if anyone took anything I said as offending, nothing is meant that way, and I'd like to see this fall off the face of the home page. I think people are misunderstanding what is trying to be said, and that is causing a rucus. |
I agree with you, Heather. I have tried multiple times to point that out as well, but those posts have been ignored.
I hope this is the last of it.
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05/06/2004 01:01:07 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by melismatica:
Should I post a copy of my daughter's birth certificate? The date on my camera was set to 1999, my daughter was 9 years old then. She is quite clearly not nine years old in this photo. |
If the camera's date was set to 1999, how can you prove that you didn't take the photo two weeks ago, and thus outside the challenge submission period? |
I don't really care about proving it. I was just making a point in defense of my character. If people had actually read the original post I made to this thread, instead of all the quotes, they will see I was not disputing the DQ. It was a mercy killing! I was asking for comments on my entry since it got DQd with only one comment and nearly 100 votes. One person took something I said and chose to comment on that instead. Since then, all the comments have been based on her reaction to one sentence in my entire message and it has been blown way out of context. I used the term 'nitpicker' because I was really hurt and irritated by the original person's comment on my post, implying I'm a cheater, rude, and inconsiderate when all I wanted was some feedback on my photo. She (karenb) took one thing I said out of a whole paragraph and used it to make a snap character judgement of me and threaten me with the possibility of suspension. Yeah, I was hurt and mad. I'm sorry for calling karenb a nitpicker. Can we bury the hatchet now? It's only my second entry and I'm feeling a tad persecuted.
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05/06/2004 01:18:09 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by mk:
I'm sorry if it seems like I'm nitpicking. The way I read your post was that you knew that the date on your photo was wrong but figured you wouldn't get caught so it was okay to submit it anyway. In addition, the description on the version you posted in your portfolio says that you probably won't check for correct dates in the future, either. |
Thanks for your kind and reasonable response to me on this. Thanks for taking the time to look at my photo, also. I was only kidding about not checking the time/date stamp. I didn't realize this was such a literal minded bunch of people. I have ADHD and the chances are good I'll forget again. But after the whomping I've taken today over it, I now think that is highly unlikely.
By the way, I think it is wording like, 'figured you wouldn't get caught' that has put me a bit on the defensive. It implies a certain sneakiness on my part that is not part of my character at all. If anything, I'm too honest or else I wouldn't have made the statement in the first place. I just didn't realize the can of worms I was opening. I humbly apologize to anyone that I've offended with my bluntness. I'll try to do better in the future.
Now, I'm close to tears so I'm not reading any more of these.
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05/06/2004 01:23:20 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
wow. I just want to clear up that I did not accuse anyone of cheating. I did however say that a photo will illegal date stamp was knowingly submitted to a challenge, and that to me is inconsiderate in the way that it is a waste of time for everyone once the photo is DQed. Ok, that being said, I have left comments on the photo, in hopes that this could help out, and I do hope that in the future EVERYONE will check the dates on their camera, and in the unfortunate circumstance that it may be off...submit it to the forums for review, and NOT in a challenge where the valid EXIF date stamp is MANDATORY. Ok. I will apologize if anyone took anything I said as offending, nothing is meant that way, and I'd like to see this fall off the face of the home page. I think people are misunderstanding what is trying to be said, and that is causing a rucus. |
And you continue to assume he submitted it before he found out the date was wrong. That is not what he sytated at any time in this thread. |
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05/06/2004 01:35:24 PM · #66 |
| Kendan ... I hope you understand that the owners of the site can easily determine which other accounts are yours based on your computers IP address ... and creating multiple accounts can get you banned. |
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05/06/2004 02:05:55 PM · #67 |
Kendan ... I hope you understand that the owners of the site can easily determine which other accounts are yours based on your computers IP address ... and creating multiple accounts can get you banned
Not exacly true, because if the person have a dial-up connection the ip address will always change...
Message edited by author 2004-05-06 14:06:39. |
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05/06/2004 02:08:07 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Kendan:
And you continue to assume he submitted it before he found out the date was wrong. That is not what he sytated at any time in this thread. |
For future defense purposes, Melismatica is a girl. |
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05/06/2004 03:58:51 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Kendan:
And you continue to assume he submitted it before he found out the date was wrong. That is not what he sytated at any time in this thread. |
For future defense purposes, Melismatica is a girl. |
Are we sure? Any one checked her 'data' lately? LOL
She pulled (or requested to be pulled) her entry in Abstract for the same 'error' as in Rusted.
Ethics can be learned afterall.
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05/06/2004 05:51:23 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by hopper:
Kendan ... I hope you understand that the owners of the site can easily determine which other accounts are yours based on your computers IP address ... and creating multiple accounts can get you banned. |
Now are you are acussing me of something? Let the owners check my IP or even email to see if I am a real person. They can check the day I registered too. The only reason I posted in this thread because of the witchhunt and the people who saw what they wanted to instead of what he wrote. Anyone else want to start coming after me like hopper did go right ahead. I just have to say that you really should start showing your good sides instead of your bad sides because sooner or later people will see it. An example is me. I have been lurking here for a little while and I was about to start submitting to the challenges. I am really thinking twice about that now. Not because of the rules but because of the treatment that was shown in this thread. First you have peopple accusing him of cheating because they did not read his posts or they misinterpreted his posts. Then you have people bashing him because he might not be an expert at how forums work. Then you have people laughing at him because he is defending himself to everyonne that insinuated him to be a cheater. and it wasn't just once it continued and conitinued. If you think this is how new people to dpchallenge should be treated then this is not someplace I want to be. So this is a question to the operators of this forum: Is that the kind of place you want to run? |
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05/06/2004 06:21:09 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Kendan:
Now are you are acussing me of something? Let the owners check my IP or even email to see if I am a real person. They can check the day I registered too. The only reason I posted in this thread because of the witchhunt and the people who saw what they wanted to instead of what he wrote. Anyone else want to start coming after me like hopper did go right ahead. I just have to say that you really should start showing your good sides instead of your bad sides because sooner or later people will see it. An example is me. I have been lurking here for a little while and I was about to start submitting to the challenges. I am really thinking twice about that now. Not because of the rules but because of the treatment that was shown in this thread. First you have peopple accusing him of cheating because they did not read his posts or they misinterpreted his posts. Then you have people bashing him because he might not be an expert at how forums work. Then you have people laughing at him because he is defending himself to everyonne that insinuated him to be a cheater. and it wasn't just once it continued and conitinued. If you think this is how new people to dpchallenge should be treated then this is not someplace I want to be. So this is a question to the operators of this forum: Is that the kind of place you want to run? |
And if you think that's bad...you just insulted Melissa 10 times in this one post by calling her a MAN!!! Lighten up people. I think everyone has realized the misunderstanding and is ready to move on. |
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05/06/2004 09:45:30 PM · #72 |
| If that is the case, I appolgise. On top of that I am not sure everyone has realised The misunderstanding. But that is me being realistic like I always am;) |
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05/06/2004 10:58:52 PM · #73 |
I just got a DQ request yesterday on what may be the worst photo entered in the 'rust' challenge. But then again, was it a real DQ request? I got an e-mail from the DPC administrators asking for my original direct-from-the-camera photograph. There was nothing in the e-mail saying that anybody had requested disqualification on my photo. Seeing as quite a few people have had the validity of their 'rust' photos challenged, I wonder if this might not be the administrators doing some kind of random timestamp verification to perhaps see how closely the time limits are being adhered to.
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05/06/2004 11:10:08 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by melismatica:
Now, I'm close to tears so I'm not reading any more of these. |
Aww, heck. We can't have that. Just in case nobody said it yet, welcome to DPC. :) Sorry about all the ruckus. You had the misfortune to come in right after a fairly intense series of discussions on rule changes, improvement, and enforcement.
I look forward to seeing what you do in next weeks challenges, and welcome to the site. :)
--Clara
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05/06/2004 11:14:58 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
I just got a DQ request yesterday on what may be the worst photo entered in the 'rust' challenge. But then again, was it a real DQ request? I got an e-mail from the DPC administrators asking for my original direct-from-the-camera photograph. There was nothing in the e-mail saying that anybody had requested disqualification on my photo. Seeing as quite a few people have had the validity of their 'rust' photos challenged, I wonder if this might not be the administrators doing some kind of random timestamp verification to perhaps see how closely the time limits are being adhered to. |
We recently changed the wording of the message we sent out. We did this for a couple reasons. Most importantly, we wanted to make it less "scary." Since the majority of proof requests ultimately result in validation, not disqualification, we wanted to change the wording to something more in line with that.
If you have not done so already, just go ahead and send in your original. Be sure to include your editing steps along with it. As long as everything is in order, then you have nothing to worry about.
-Terry
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