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 04/23/2013 11:21:50 AM · #26
I kind thought the same thing. Since photography stirs different emotions in different people. I went back to look at some of the Pulitzer Prize winning photos. This is the photo that won Feature Photography from last year. Is is by a free lance photographer named Javier Manzano. Without the footnotes, many would be hard pressed to know where and when this photo took place.



The next photo is from 2001. A Photo taken by Alan Diaz, that won the Breaking News category. In the case of this photo, many people will know about this photo. Unlike the the photo above, this one is a bit grainy and overall not a great photograph. The subject matter carries this photo.



The last photo is from 1976 and was taken by Stanley Forman, entitled The Staining of Old Glory. I had never seen this photo until this morning. It depicts a protest in Boston (coincidence)to desegregate busing. Again, not a great technical photo. But any time you have an American Flag in a photo, it causes an emotion. This photo stands out do to it's misuse of the flag. Had the teenager been holding a baseball bat (or just a pole without the flag), it would have been a much less powerful photo.



I looked at a bunch of other photographs that won prizes, some I recognized and a lot I had never seen before. I'm not sure if you need to know the people, the place, or the time to feel the emotion of most of them. In the case of the Boston Marathon photo, we know the place (its written on the Police vest) We know the time/event (with the runner on the ground) and we know the event (with the smoke hovering overhead)

Just trying to expand my understanding of what makes a great photograph.

P.S. That first photo was taken last year in Syria.

Message edited by author 2013-04-23 13:48:48.
 04/23/2013 01:00:26 PM · #27
Just a reminder to limit photos posted directly into a forum thread to 500 pixels wide, to avoid messing up the layour too much. For larger pictures please post a thumbnail or text link to the full-sized image.
 04/23/2013 01:14:18 PM · #28
Earlier thread photographic ethical debate

Correct me if I am wrong, but here, there are no less that 3 police officers directly in front of him, just as close to the 78 year old marathoner, who I believe, was knocked over but not hit with shrapnel? There does not seem to be a problem when compared to snapping shots instead of helping a guy onto the platform...
 04/23/2013 01:25:30 PM · #29
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Just a reminder to limit photos posted directly into a forum thread to 500 pixels wide, to avoid messing up the layour too much. For larger pictures please post a thumbnail or text link to the full-sized image.


Isn't it also against forum rules to post someone elses work rather then link to them?
 04/23/2013 01:50:56 PM · #30
Ok, I fixed. All photos are 500 pixels wide. I didn't read anywhere about not being able to post someone's work here in the forum. If I'm wrong, shoot me now. I did give full credit to each photographer, so it's obvious I am not taking any credit for the work.
 04/23/2013 01:51:21 PM · #31
One minor observation on the image: I keep hearing people describe the police with guns drawn, yet while several officers have their hands on their holstered weapons, none have cleared leather. Frankly that moment of searching for a threat without finding one, as conveyed by the desire to draw the weapon without finding anyone to point a gun at, is part of the power of this image.

If it is against forum rules to post another's work, then I have been guilty several times. I often put a discussed shot in my workshop so I can post a thumbnail, and use the URL as the title. How else can you get a small version in the thread and allow viewers to check out the full sized goodness?
 04/23/2013 01:58:14 PM · #32
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
One minor observation on the image: I keep hearing people describe the police with guns drawn, yet while several officers have their hands on their holstered weapons, none have cleared leather.

The leftmost officer has her gun drawn, as Slippy pointed out much earlier. None of the others do.
 04/23/2013 02:03:42 PM · #33
Posting a photo or quoting text (with attribution) for educational or critical purposes is usually considered "Fair Use" under US copyright law.

It is probably OK to either copy to one's Portfolio (so as to make posting a thumbnail convenient) or hot-link to the original at its native site (if the file's small enough) or post a text link.

One could also download the original and make it into a thumbnail-sized image to post here, then use that in place of the text in a "regular" link to the original.
 04/23/2013 08:01:14 PM · #34
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Earlier thread photographic ethical debate

Correct me if I am wrong, but here, there are no less that 3 police officers directly in front of him, just as close to the 78 year old marathoner, who I believe, was knocked over but not hit with shrapnel? There does not seem to be a problem when compared to snapping shots instead of helping a guy onto the platform...


The only difference between the police officers and the photographer is that the police are preparing to protect everyone in case of further attacks. At this precise moment, no one knew what to expect. If I was there I would want those with guns to neutralize any threats and all others to help the wounded.

As much as I am fascinated by Breaking News photography, I don't think I could do it. Some of the Pulitzer photos I looked through this morning were of the famine in Ethiopia. To see those kids starving to death and do nothing but take a picture, would just feel wrong.
 04/23/2013 08:55:40 PM · #35
Originally posted by Judi:
Not long ago I had to take some photos knowing that there was a dead person lying next to me. It was tough. Going into these jobs I try to avoid thinking of that element or even the possibility that I would know the victim/s and instead focus on the job at hand. Only once I have finished and leaving that area do I allow myself to think about anything other than the job. I shudder horribly when I think of the situation but I knew I had a job to do.

I cannot speak for the other photographers in similiar situations but I expect they would also shut themselves off until later when they can assess the situation in their own privacy.


Working with first responders as I do, I've seen and photographed a lot of things that never see the light of day, except in an incident review by the departments I work with. I've seen and photographed people taking their last breaths after an accident, I've had to take photos of crime scenes, with victims, and a lot of things I'd rather have not seen, let alone photographed. However that being said, it is my job, and it is what I am suppose to do. You have to block out "the real world" and only concentrate on what you are doing. Just like others there is an "Adrenaline" response from your body, and most times I don't even remember most of the stuff until after I have reviewed the images. Sometimes it's a good thing not to remember things you have seen and done.

Matt
 04/23/2013 10:01:24 PM · #36
Originally posted by Snotick:
Some of the Pulitzer photos I looked through this morning were of the famine in Ethiopia. To see those kids starving to death and do nothing but take a picture, would just feel wrong.


Yet that was his job. To bring us the story, even though it meant not helping. It was the more important job, but the emotional wreckage that ensued from the photographer's doing his job can be too much to bear.
 04/24/2013 01:47:20 AM · #37
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
One minor observation on the image: I keep hearing people describe the police with guns drawn, yet while several officers have their hands on their holstered weapons, none have cleared leather.

The leftmost officer has her gun drawn, as Slippy pointed out much earlier. None of the others do.


And my old eyes want to see a finger inside the trigger guard.
 04/24/2013 07:42:34 AM · #38
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
One minor observation on the image: I keep hearing people describe the police with guns drawn, yet while several officers have their hands on their holstered weapons, none have cleared leather. Frankly that moment of searching for a threat without finding one, as conveyed by the desire to draw the weapon without finding anyone to point a gun at, is part of the power of this image.


The female cop on the left has her gun drawn. It's down by her leg.
 04/24/2013 10:04:11 AM · #39
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Judi:
Not long ago I had to take some photos knowing that there was a dead person lying next to me. It was tough. Going into these jobs I try to avoid thinking of that element or even the possibility that I would know the victim/s and instead focus on the job at hand. Only once I have finished and leaving that area do I allow myself to think about anything other than the job. I shudder horribly when I think of the situation but I knew I had a job to do.

I cannot speak for the other photographers in similiar situations but I expect they would also shut themselves off until later when they can assess the situation in their own privacy.


Working with first responders as I do, I've seen and photographed a lot of things that never see the light of day, except in an incident review by the departments I work with. I've seen and photographed people taking their last breaths after an accident, I've had to take photos of crime scenes, with victims, and a lot of things I'd rather have not seen, let alone photographed. However that being said, it is my job, and it is what I am suppose to do. You have to block out "the real world" and only concentrate on what you are doing. Just like others there is an "Adrenaline" response from your body, and most times I don't even remember most of the stuff until after I have reviewed the images. Sometimes it's a good thing not to remember things you have seen and done.

Matt


Matt, it sounds like there are other people around you that are trained to offer support for the injured. Which frees you up to do your job. I like to think most people,if put in a rescue situation, would reach for a rope to help instead of the camera.

Still wondering where this photo would rank if it was entered in a Challenge?
 04/24/2013 11:11:47 AM · #40
Originally posted by Snotick:
Still wondering where this photo would rank if it was entered in a Challenge?


To answer your question, I honestly think it would be up to the challenge. For example, in a "freestudies" I think that his wouldn't do all that hot (maybe a 5.5XXX but not where near the top 10) but if this were in "street photos" or "photojournalism" this this would most likely ribbon in my opinion.

You can't really say how well it will do until the image is put into a challenge.

So to answer without answering, in my opinion, it would do well... But only in the right challenge.
 04/24/2013 02:35:45 PM · #41
Originally posted by Snotick:


I was mainly wondering what people thought of the photo itself? If this was submitted during one of the challenges, perhaps the emotion challenge, would it have scored very high? Would it have won based on what it represents?



IMO, its only because it ties us to the emotion we all felt at that time that it has any meaning. not knowing the context, the photo itself really does nothing for me. the one of the double amputee is much, much more powerful, but they couldn't put that one on the cover.

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