Kudos for Abstract Challenge and Labuda

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05/03/2004 03:45:50 PM · #1

Congratulations to those of who submitted to Abstract.

Once again the entries in a members challenge are exceptional. I never cease to be amazed. The advanced editing rules, when judiciously applied, make for wonderful images that are an absolute joy to vote on.

BTW, I tip my hat to Aleks Lebuda (labuda)!

Labuda took it on the chin with DQs, including a couple of ribbons, and comes right back with another ribbon winner and a tips and tricks addition for the site. That shows grace under fire that few people have. You got to admire that.

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

05/03/2004 03:57:31 PM · #2

ditto for me. Aleks rocks! His silhoettes submission got robbed! My fave by far!

05/03/2004 03:59:18 PM · #3

I agree Aleks is great on stuff like this. I expect to see him atleast in top10 too.

Jovi

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05/03/2004 06:58:35 PM · #4

Ditto, can't wait to see more of his work!

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05/03/2004 08:00:07 PM · #5

Give me a break...

labuds

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05/03/2004 08:10:22 PM · #6

Thanks guys! It's support like this that pushes me to generate quality stuff. I wouldn't be doing it without the tight competition everyone offers on this web site. My last three entries have/are not doing as well though, hopefully I'll catch up with Something New.

As for TooCool, seems like he's got some built up anger in him, or thinks I'm not Cool enough for him or something.

05/03/2004 08:40:57 PM · #7

I just see no reason to suck up to some one who feels that he has cheat in order to win an electronic ribbon. So you're still here. Why should I or anyone else praise you for that?

tfarrell23

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05/03/2004 09:17:34 PM · #8

I agree with TooCool...

pitsaman

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05/03/2004 09:37:31 PM · #9

Originally posted by TooCool:

I just see no reason to suck up to some one who feels that he has cheat in order to win an electronic ribbon. So you're still here. Why should I or anyone else praise you for that?

You took these words out of my mouth !

If people don't agree with the site DQ process for punishing the cheaters ,go elsewhere!

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05/03/2004 09:41:51 PM · #10

Originally posted by TooCool:

I just see no reason to suck up to some one who feels that he has cheat in order to win an electronic ribbon. So you're still here. Why should I or anyone else praise you for that?

Hey man the fact that he pushed the laws that existed then to theyr verry limits, doesn't mean he is not one of the most briliant photographers here. Just take a look at his stuff wich are 100% photographs, then you may want to give yourself a break. He got DQ'd what else do you want? I didn't agree with the over manipulated shots eyther but that has nothing to do with Aleks's talent as an artist and photographer.

Message edited by author 2004-05-03 21:42:46.

GeneralE

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05/03/2004 09:51:24 PM · #11

Please feel free to express differing opinions without name-calling, please.

Message edited by author 2004-05-03 21:51:42.

Artifacts

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05/03/2004 10:15:11 PM · #12

Originally posted by TooCool:

I just see no reason to suck up to some one who feels that he has cheat in order to win an electronic ribbon. So you're still here. Why should I or anyone else praise you for that?

I'm surprised there is still pent-up hostility toward Labuda. Please understand I don't suck up to anyone. Here are my reasons for praise:

1-Labuda didn't whine and quit the site because he lost out on a ribbon like so many others before him, and he lost two!

2-When it became obvious his use of digital art was unacceptable he took it in stride, put the issue behind him (Apparently, others have not) and continued to submit quality images.

3-He IMMEDIATELY made a positve contribution to the site with his tutorial. There are very few photographers that can say they did that.

His is a class act! I'm glad there are photographers like him here at DPC. A couple other "cheaters" that that come to mind that overcame DQs of their images and did all right here are Konador and Pep Ventosa. Labuda is in with pretty good company.

05/03/2004 10:26:03 PM · #13

Originally posted by stdavidson:

I'm surprised there is still pent-up hostility toward Labuda...

Amen to that! Also TooCool I wouldn't want this to sound offensive to you or anyhting else, certainly wouldn't want to add to your anger, but I seen you making some verry agressive comments to others too, when they were mistaking, or did stuff you didn't like. You may want to chill a bit, grab a beer or something, your way too nervous man, that's verry bad for your heart. Also you are not so cool when you behave like that. :))

I agree, with stdavidson besides labuda's artistic skills and tallent, the way he took the repeated DQ's he recived and everything, could be considered an example of behaviour and good manners. He made a mistake he payed, did not complain about it, life goes on. He's still one of my best favorites, from whom I have alot to learn.

Message edited by author 2004-05-03 22:27:13.

05/03/2004 10:28:50 PM · #14

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

If my 11 year old lies to me, it takes him some time to build up my trust again. I don't take everything that he says to be the honest to god truth until that trust IS built up again. Labuda has IMHO 'broken the trust' and in my eyes needs to rebuild it. This doesn't happen overnight!

05/03/2004 10:31:52 PM · #15

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Hey man the fact that he pushed the laws that existed then to theyr verry limits, doesn't mean he is not one of the most briliant photographers here. Just take a look at his stuff wich are 100% photographs, then you may want to give yourself a break. He got DQ'd what else do you want? I didn't agree with the over manipulated shots eyther but that has nothing to do with Aleks's talent as an artist and photographer.

If my 11 year old lies to me, it takes him some time to build up my trust again. I don't take everything that he says to be the honest to god truth until that trust IS built up again. Labuda has IMHO 'broken the trust' and in my eyes needs to rebuild it. This doesn't happen overnight!

I agree but then give it time, and on't follow and insult hime anywhere you find him. Past is past future is ahead of us. Let it go.

05/03/2004 10:34:53 PM · #16

Originally posted by stdavidson:

Because I don't believe in sucking up to someone who has behaved as Labuda has means that I have pent up hostility? Hmmmmm.

Yes he did make a nice tutorial about his latest shot, but that doesn't IMHO make everything in the past go away. It definatly helps though!

I don't know about the other two cases that you mention here. I apparently wasn't around for those issues. If I had been, (EDITED TO ADD and if their situations were the same) I would still feel the same way as I do now.

Message edited by author 2004-05-03 22:39:40.

05/03/2004 10:36:12 PM · #17

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

I agree but then give it time, and on't follow and insult hime anywhere you find him. Past is past future is ahead of us. Let it go.

I didn't insult him in any way! If anything I insulted those that were heaping praise on him...

05/03/2004 10:37:57 PM · #18

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Please feel free to express differing opinions without name-calling, please.

I hope that I never find my self stooping to name calling. I would much rather reinforce my arguement or concede defeat!

05/03/2004 10:38:51 PM · #19

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
I agree but then give it time, and on't follow and insult hime anywhere you find him. Past is past future is ahead of us. Let it go.

I didn't insult him in any way! If anything I insulted those that were heaping praise on him...

So you insulted me than... thanks your so Cool. I stil love his work anyways. And I like his DQ'd work too, only he got the wrong site to post them is the only thing I agree with you on.

mariomel

Canon EOS-5D

05/03/2004 10:40:01 PM · #20

Originally posted by TooCool:

Give ME a break. He pushed the rules, as they were written, to their maximum. He crossed the line, ever so slightly, by not being true to the integrity of the images. But the rules were fuzzy about that. Now they are much more clear. Unless I am mistaken, he never hid what he had done or the techniques he used. Now he choosed to share them with others, and continues to submit visually challenging images, this time by absolutely legal means.

As has been said before, he's a trooper. MOST would have ditched this site after what happened to him. Don't get me wrong. I agree with the disqualifications. He crossed the fuzzy line. But I would not call him a cheater or liar. Not by far.

Besides, he's from Montreal too, so I'm biased. ;)

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05/03/2004 10:43:28 PM · #21

Originally posted by mariomel:

But I would not call him a cheater or liar.

I used my eleven year telling me a lie as an example. If I implied even inadvertently that Labuda lied than I most humbly appologize!

cbeller

Nikon D300

05/03/2004 10:43:42 PM · #22

Originally posted by TooCool:

For the record, he never lied, IMO. He always disclosed in his comments what he did to the photos.

Edit: I'm a slow typer. :-)

Message edited by author 2004-05-03 22:44:24.

Rooster

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05/03/2004 10:45:18 PM · #23

I don;t get it. Aleks didnt cheat. He didnt try to cheat or cover up how he produced his shots. In fact, he was quite forth right about it. Calling someone a cheaters is name calling. so people have stooped to that level. His shots pushed the boundaries of the vague rules. They were DQ-ed by a vote by the SC and the rules were rewritten to avoid this happening again.

Why is it a big deal for giving BIG UPs to someone we think that took a hit and came back punching? The guy has skills, NO ONE can deny that! He's won two ribbons that have not been DQed, much to the seemingly dismay of some here.

This is so wrong. If you don't have anything nice to say, then why even post to this thread? To name call? To put us down who do appreciate that Aleks continues here?

Where's the comraderie? Where is the love? Even J setlz. (Aleks strongest objector) choose one of his shots as a fave! Let's let bygones be bygones & not dwell on so much negativity.

Message edited by author 2004-05-03 23:17:02.

ClubJuggle

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05/03/2004 11:09:06 PM · #24

Originally posted by TooCool:

Originally posted by mariomel:
But I would not call him a cheater or liar.

I used my eleven year telling me a lie as an example. If I implied even inadvertently that Labuda lied than I most humbly appologize!

You implied nothing. You flat-out called him a cheater.

-Terry

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