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01/15/2013 11:33:48 AM · #476 |
Originally posted by Venser:
When I was a professor |
You should have mentioned this before.... |
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01/15/2013 11:37:38 AM · #477 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Venser:
When I was a professor |
You should have mentioned this before.... |
The point being our education system would be terribly dismal, moreso than it actually is, if all we did was cater to the lowest common denominator. |
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01/15/2013 11:48:58 AM · #478 |
Originally posted by PW321:
YES!! because a large image size does not affect you on your very expensive 1st world fancy pants monitor but it does affect any one else who isn't as well off. Why be stupid and exclude members just because they aren't up on technology?
You ALWAYS cater to the lowest common denominator that is where the most people are. |
maybe we should ban the use of expensive gear too. i mean, i cant compete in some rules sets with those who have superior lenses or lighting setups.
Message edited by author 2013-01-15 12:02:24. |
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01/15/2013 11:57:32 AM · #479 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
maybe we should ban the use of expensive gear too. i mean, i cant compute in some rules sets with those who have superior lenses or lighting setups. |
Cheers to that one mate! Gives me a shot at the gold then ;P
Message edited by author 2013-01-15 11:57:50. |
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01/15/2013 11:58:47 AM · #480 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by PW321:
YES!! because a large image size does not affect you on your very expensive 1st world fancy pants monitor but it does affect any one else who isn't as well off. Why be stupid and exclude members just because they aren't up on technology?
You ALWAYS cater to the lowest common denominator that is where the most people are. |
maybe we should ban the use of expensive gear too. i mean, i cant compute in some rules sets with those who have superior lenses or lighting setups. |
Nikon isn't that much more expensive than Canon, Just that much better! LOL
Matt
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01/15/2013 12:05:28 PM · #481 |
maybe if they color coded their lenses, how can i lust after gear if i cant tell if its good or not?
Message edited by author 2013-01-15 12:05:37. |
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01/15/2013 12:14:18 PM · #482 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Venser:
When I was a professor |
You should have mentioned this before.... |
"Ph.D. Disturbing of the Shit"
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01/15/2013 12:15:07 PM · #483 |
Dear Langdon,
Thank you for last night. It was magical.
Love,
Slippy
xoxo
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01/15/2013 12:41:55 PM · #484 |
| ha, I made this one come back. love it. |
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01/15/2013 12:43:32 PM · #485 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Dear Langdon,
Thank you for last night. It was magical.
Love,
Slippy
xoxo |
Expert or minimal? |
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01/15/2013 12:45:36 PM · #486 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Dear Langdon,
Thank you for last night. It was magical.
Love,
Slippy
xoxo |
Expert or minimal? |
minimal, it was all done in camera, no photoshopping. |
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01/15/2013 06:15:54 PM · #487 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Nikon isn't that much more expensive than Canon, Just that much better! LOL
Matt |
... as what... doorstops and paper weights. :O)
Ray |
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01/16/2013 09:46:42 AM · #488 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by MattO:
Nikon isn't that much more expensive than Canon, Just that much better! LOL
Matt |
... as what... doorstops and paper weights. :O)
Ray |
Boat anchors. |
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01/16/2013 03:39:10 PM · #489 |
My 2 cents... I spent a lot of time on DPC several years ago. Entered some challenges but let my paid membership expire after a few years. I occasionally pop in and have entered a couple of open challenges recently.
I'm not sure when the decision to make the update button on challenges a benefit of paid membership but in my opinion this is a terrible extremely short sighted decision.
I realize the initial thought process is to provide an incentive to join DPC as a paid member however like any addiction if you never know what you are missing you have no reason to feed the monkey on your back.
When I realized the update button was no longer available to me as a registered user it did not incent me to join the site as a paid member again. Actually it did just the opposite. I probably won't be entering anymore challenges.
My recommendation is simple. Make the update button available for all registered users paid or not. Get people excited about participating in challenges even if it is only open challenges. This is the "gateway" in creating a desire to participate in more challenges. The incentive of membership should be that there are more choices in the challenges you can participate in not whether you can enjoy one of the best parts of DPC. Hitting the update button is what keeps you coming back and checking in on the site. More traffic means more participation in the forums and other aspects of the site. More participation creates an increase in content that is available and makes the DPC experience fuller and worthy of a paid membership. In the marketing world it is called a "loss leader."
But I am in agreement with most. Nothing will change. Interest will fade and something similar ( a better managed site with a fuller experience) will take the place of DPC. This site will go the way of MySpace. Like everything in life if it doesn't grow it will die.
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01/16/2013 04:41:29 PM · #490 |
| One of the issues influencing the decision to restrict the "update button" to paid members is that every time someone hits that link it queries the database; certainly at the time the decision was made there was concern about the impact on overall site performance if every registered user hit the update button every couple of minutes. |
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01/16/2013 05:06:19 PM · #491 |
It never created a problem that I was aware of in the past. It is a deterrent to building site participation, traffic and ultimately paid memberships. It is also an easy change to implement to make the site better therefore increasing participation, traffic and paid memberships.
As I stated it has had a direct negative impact on my DPC experience and I most likely will not participate in future challenges as a result. |
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01/16/2013 05:12:17 PM · #492 |
I hardly ever use the update button - it's painful enough watching the score waffle around on an hourly (automatic updates) basis. A higher level of db queries could have some performance impact if opened up to everyone I suppose, and THAT would be a negative / frustrating situation impacting pretty much everyone here.
So ... no to the update button for all.  |
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01/16/2013 06:32:16 PM · #493 |
The update button has always been a part of the DPC experience until recently. There was never an issue with slowing down the site.
But if the volume of data base inquiries are a concern I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry. When I started with DPC there were 300 entries per challenge. I think data base queries are down by 1/3rd through attrition.
And if you don't want to hit the update button that is your choice. But there are those that want an update when they chose to hit the button and not having that choice does effect participation on this site.
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01/16/2013 07:08:38 PM · #494 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
The update button has always been a part of the DPC experience until recently. |
??? There has been no change in the update button ... |
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01/16/2013 07:57:01 PM · #495 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
This site will go the way of MySpace. |
Laughable. |
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01/17/2013 05:18:41 AM · #496 |
Originally posted by ambaker:
Never mind...
Neither side seems to have any tolerance for a differing viewpoint. Preferring instead to ostracize, and banish those who don't sing the same song.
Both sides would do well to remember... Just because you have silenced a person, you have not proven them wrong. |
Maybe not... but it sure is a nice feeling when you don't have to listen to that constant whining.
It must also be taking into consideration that is if a person is right, bitching for the mere sake of bitching without providing any suggestions of plausible remedial action truly does nothing to advance their cause.
Considering the financial investment I am asked to make to this site.... I am quite happy with the way things are.
Ray |
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01/17/2013 05:41:08 AM · #497 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
The update button has always been a part of the DPC experience until recently. There was never an issue with slowing down the site.
But if the volume of data base inquiries are a concern I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry. When I started with DPC there were 300 entries per challenge. I think data base queries are down by 1/3rd through attrition.
And if you don't want to hit the update button that is your choice. But there are those that want an update when they chose to hit the button and not having that choice does effect participation on this site. |
The update button is only available for those of us who fork out for membership. Those who choose not to pay the $25 a year get a pretty good deal, I think. |
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01/17/2013 03:36:03 PM · #498 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
The update button has always been a part of the DPC experience until recently. There was never an issue with slowing down the site.
But if the volume of data base inquiries are a concern I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry. When I started with DPC there were 300 entries per challenge. I think data base queries are down by 1/3rd through attrition. |
The update button (function or practice) has not changed since late 2002 or sometime in 03 -- before you got here, so I am unclear as to what the bolded part of your sentence is referring to. Until recently for you, perhaps?
Originally posted by seenosun:
And if you don't want to hit the update button that is your choice. But there are those that want an update when they chose to hit the button and not having that choice does effect participation on this site. |
ummm, I think that is the point - to give those that do pay a little extra benefit and maybe, just maybe, push some in that direction. |
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01/17/2013 03:54:44 PM · #499 |
Originally posted by seenosun:
The update button has always been a part of the DPC experience until recently. There was never an issue with slowing down the site.
But if the volume of data base inquiries are a concern I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry. When I started with DPC there were 300 entries per challenge. I think data base queries are down by 1/3rd through attrition.
And if you don't want to hit the update button that is your choice. But there are those that want an update when they chose to hit the button and not having that choice does effect participation on this site. |
The update button wasn't always here, and it has always been for paid users.
There may have been more entries per challenge, but there were also only 2 challenges/week.
The site functionality for registered users is limited. As it is, they get plenty without paying a measly $25/year. If you can afford a camera and a computer, even one with a 3rd world monitor, you should be able to afford $25. If not, I know that there have been instances of members generously gifting memberships to registered users who could not afford one on their own.
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01/17/2013 04:02:01 PM · #500 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
...If you can afford a camera and a computer, even one with a 3rd world monitor, you should be able to afford $25... |
Anyone who truly cannot afford $25 per year would not be spending their time at this site. I know someone who is very well-off and will retire at age 55. He whines about every penny he spends, and typically "forgets" his wallet whenever he invites you to meet up somewhere for drinks.
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