Before you SCORE, look at it 30 SECONDS OR MORE!

01/06/2013 06:23:11 PM · #51

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Scores really seem to be bouncing around a great deal. I was up over 6.5 after ~60 votes and my score has continued to fluctuate wildly.

As I said before, I just hope that people don't like the photo and are not voting it down because of the conception that it does not meet the challenge description....because that would in this instance be a violation of the Voting Rules...

Message edited by author 2013-01-06 18:24:37.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/06/2013 07:33:50 PM · #52

Originally posted by bassbone:

As I said before, I just hope that people don't like the photo and are not voting it down because of the conception that it does not meet the challenge description....because that would in this instance be a violation of the Voting Rules...

Why do people always have to assume these kinds of postulations? Why can't Occam's razor apply? The simplest, and most likely explanation, is the recent batch of voters simply didn't like the photo. That makes the most sense to me; as opposed to assuming they thought a rules violations and are penalizing you for it.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

01/06/2013 07:45:16 PM · #53

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by bassbone:
As I said before, I just hope that people don't like the photo and are not voting it down because of the conception that it does not meet the challenge description....because that would in this instance be a violation of the Voting Rules...

Why do people always have to assume these kinds of postulations? Why can't Occam's razor apply? The simplest, and most likely explanation, is the recent batch of voters simply didn't like the photo. That makes the most sense to me; as opposed to assuming they thought a rules violations and are penalizing you for it.

And following along the same lines, it seems to me pretty natural that a LOT of voters will be giving their high votes to images that LOOK like they used up 30 seconds, and low votes to those that DON'T, not because they think the "rule" was broken, but because that's what they WANT to see. It makes sense to me, even as I don't particularly like it. I can easily imagine people thinking, "What's the POINT of a "30+ second" challenge, if not to SHOW us something that LOOKS like it took that long?"

01/06/2013 07:45:31 PM · #54

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by bassbone:
As I said before, I just hope that people don't like the photo and are not voting it down because of the conception that it does not meet the challenge description....because that would in this instance be a violation of the Voting Rules...
Why do people always have to assume these kinds of postulations? Why can't Occam's razor apply? The simplest, and most likely explanation, is the recent batch of voters simply didn't like the photo. That makes the most sense to me; as opposed to assuming they thought a rules violations and are penalizing you for it.

Did you never learn how to read?

01/06/2013 08:12:57 PM · #55

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by bassbone:
As I said before, I just hope that people don't like the photo and are not voting it down because of the conception that it does not meet the challenge description....because that would in this instance be a violation of the Voting Rules...
Why do people always have to assume these kinds of postulations? Why can't Occam's razor apply? The simplest, and most likely explanation, is the recent batch of voters simply didn't like the photo. That makes the most sense to me; as opposed to assuming they thought a rules violations and are penalizing you for it.

Did you never learn how to read?

Nah, I'm illiterate. Made getting my doctorate particularly difficult.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/06/2013 08:15:32 PM · #56

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

But that's fair. As the photographer, you have to assume this is going to occur entering the challenge. Does it make it right? It's subjective, so it depends what side of the fence you're on.

antje1777

01/06/2013 08:40:22 PM · #57

I voted assuming that all were taken at at least 30 seconds! If they were not then they will be disqualified, but it is not up to me to decide if they are or not. So based on that, I gave a lot of them quite high scores, although there are a few that were just plain bad in every way (lighting, composition...etc), but not many...

You have rated 63 of 63 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 of 63 images (2%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.0000

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Some really nice images here!! :)

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NikonJeb

Nikon D850

01/07/2013 08:57:04 AM · #58

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Venser:

But that's fair. As the photographer, you have to assume this is going to occur entering the challenge. Does it make it right? It's subjective, so it depends what side of the fence you're on.

I never assume the voter is going to put his/her own spin on challenge interpretation. What's the point of trying to figure out how one might twist up the description?

If someone votes an image down because they don't believe that it's a 30 second exposure, that's actually pretty slimy since the Top 5 *have* to validate, and the rules state specifically that the EXIF data will be checked for exposure time. So.....what that means is that, for once, the Top 5 are *guaranteed* to follow the challenge description to the letter.

Trying to figure out what someone *might* think how these images should appear would just make you nuts in the long run.

Giles

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

01/08/2013 02:36:26 AM · #59

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GiorgioBaruffi

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01/08/2013 03:08:20 AM · #60

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Teafran

Olympus E-520

Vivitar MF Zoom 19-35mm f/3.5-4.5 Series 1 for Olympus

01/08/2013 09:50:01 AM · #61

"the Top 5 *have* to validate, and the rules state specifically that the EXIF data will be checked for exposure time."

How would anyone validate an image that was taken without EXIF data? For instance, I use Olympus OM glass on my E-520. The camera can't read data from the lens because there isn't any data from the lens. Would that automatically exclude me from participating in any challenge what requires EXIF data?

01/08/2013 10:34:19 AM · #62

Originally posted by Teafran:

The data from the lens is not required, but the exposure time, which IS included in the EXIF data from your camera, will be available for validation.

Message edited by author 2013-01-08 10:35:18.

Vivitar MF Zoom 19-35mm f/3.5-4.5 Series 1 for Olympus

01/08/2013 10:40:46 AM · #63

Originally posted by Teafran:

How would anyone validate an image that was taken without EXIF data?

Worst case scenario, simply add/modify the EXIF data yourself. If you know where to look you can find the private keys online. After that, any of your images will pass Canon's and Nikon's verification software. Problem solved.

Yes, I know it's against the rules of the site, but it is available for his own purposes if he's not submitting them here.

edit - Should point out this could be illegal in the US under the DMCA, you are the copyright holder but are circumventing Nikon's and Canon's encryption. In Canada (outside of Quebec, not sure about that province) and the most of the EU it's perfectly fine since you're the copyright holder.

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Teafran

Olympus E-520

01/08/2013 01:43:37 PM · #64

"but the exposure time, which IS included in the EXIF data from your camera, will be available for validation."

Not on Olympus cameras. There isn't any data imprinted on the image information file if used in manual mode with OM lenses.

I believe the same is true for Nikon and Canon cameras - or at least that's what I've been told by other photographers who do the same as I do.