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12/25/2012 06:22:27 PM · #1076

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Now perhaps you can go on to explain how calling people "stupid assholes" advances the debate or moves us any closer to a solution (or even helps define the problem)?

Message edited by author 2012-12-25 18:24:57.

Venser

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

12/25/2012 07:15:55 PM · #1077

Originally posted by Spork99:

It does...well, just as much as there is a "debate" on the issue/problem.

Or has debate been redefined as two entrenched opposing sides just shouting their point over and over while exclaiming how ignorant the other side is for not suddenly seeing the light and coming around 180 degrees to their point of view?

That's not a debate, that's just a shouting match, the pursuit of stupid assholes everywhere.

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Now perhaps you can go on to explain how calling people "stupid assholes" advances the debate or moves us any closer to a solution (or even helps define the problem)?

The problem spork, is when someone presents data about countries like Japan and their extremely tight gun control laws and the seemingly lack of homicides by guns, the gun proliferation group still finds a way to dismiss or skew the data. There are countless other countries you could use for examples on gun restrictions and homicide rate, yet somehow all those numbers are meaningless.

This is not to suggest gun restriction is the only course of action to solve this problem, but it should be one of many things to help stop the violence.

Message edited by author 2012-12-25 19:16:29.

David Ey

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

12/25/2012 07:26:25 PM · #1078

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Please use a text link or thumbnail when posting images more than 500px wide in the forums, per the Forum Rules.

General, would you please remave the offending pic? It looks like the guy is not going to fix it....he says it will fix itself when the page changes.

Message edited by author 2012-12-25 19:28:30.

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

12/25/2012 07:49:25 PM · #1079

How ever you view this debate, (or any other for that matter) arguing that the debate should just go away and both sides be quiet, does nothing. We are at a point where these sporadic massacres are a big enough problem in our country that they will be addressed. If there is a good enough debate, we can come to some point where we can curb the number of Americans killed by guns, without eliminating the legitimate uses and ownership of firearms.
Some of us see guns as idiotic and pointless, some of us see them as neccesary tools and as essential to our notion of liberty, and some of us are hoping for a rational bridge between those two viewpoints. It is an important debate, without an easy solution, and if some or all of us look like horrible people while we look for that solution, I am O.K with that.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

12/26/2012 01:05:05 AM · #1080

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

All the while alienating from the "debate" anyone not inclined to simply shout their idiocy across the internet while proclaiming anyone who disagrees as a monster...that's not looking for the solution, that's not a debate either. That's just a shouting match.

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

12/26/2012 01:54:15 AM · #1081

So this is your contribution? "You are all assholes and should shut up"? Come on you can do better.
Enlighten us, point us to the middle ground. I would love to hear a workable solution.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

12/26/2012 03:57:30 AM · #1082

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

So this is your contribution? "You are all assholes and should shut up"? Come on you can do better.
Enlighten us, point us to the middle ground. I would love to hear a workable solution.

ROFL..

I'm not honestly convinced that he can do better, since this is really pretty consistently his position on a wide variety of debates.

I would, however, welcome disproof.

David Ey

Nikon D80

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

12/26/2012 11:46:32 AM · #1083

Thank you

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

12/26/2012 01:42:30 PM · #1084

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

So this is your contribution? "You are all assholes and should shut up"? Come on you can do better.
Enlighten us, point us to the middle ground. I would love to hear a workable solution.

I have a suggestion.

Keep your 2nd Amendment... let's control all of the ammunition and reloading equipment, and in time you can use your guns as clubs.

Good idea or what.

Ray

12/26/2012 07:09:30 PM · #1085

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

So this is your contribution? "You are all assholes and should shut up"? Come on you can do better.
Enlighten us, point us to the middle ground. I would love to hear a workable solution.

I posted a quite serious suggestion some pages back...it evidently got lost in all the shouting.

12/26/2012 07:12:05 PM · #1086

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:
So this is your contribution? "You are all assholes and should shut up"? Come on you can do better.
Enlighten us, point us to the middle ground. I would love to hear a workable solution.

I have a suggestion.

Keep your 2nd Amendment... let's control all of the ammunition and reloading equipment, and in time you can use your guns as clubs.

Good idea or what.

Ray

All you've done in that case is create a de facto circumvention of the 2nd Amendment, which is no more viable or less ridiculous than just banning guns.

12/26/2012 07:14:30 PM · #1087

Originally posted by RayEthier:

I like it, Chris Rock suggested it 15 yrs ago.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0Y4qIZ4PA

12/26/2012 07:19:53 PM · #1088

the second amendment was an amendment, why can't we just amend the constitution again?

12/26/2012 07:27:53 PM · #1089

Originally posted by mike_311:

the second amendment was an amendment, why can't we just amend the constitution again?

Let's crack down on those pesky people running their mouths too and get rid of the 1st too. Hell, things would go a lot smoother if we just did away with the whole damn thing.

12/26/2012 08:12:53 PM · #1090

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:
the second amendment was an amendment, why can't we just amend the constitution again?

Let's crack down on those pesky people running their mouths too and get rid of the 1st too. Hell, things would go a lot smoother if we just did away with the whole damn thing.

what would you do with all your time?

Message edited by author 2012-12-26 20:15:08.

12/26/2012 10:44:21 PM · #1091

Originally posted by mike_311:

We'd all be locked up in the gulag together, maybe we could roll dice for smokes.

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

12/27/2012 06:41:59 AM · #1092

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by BrennanOB:
So this is your contribution? "You are all assholes and should shut up"? Come on you can do better.
Enlighten us, point us to the middle ground. I would love to hear a workable solution.

ROFL..

I'm not honestly convinced that he can do better, since this is really pretty consistently his position on a wide variety of debates.

I would, however, welcome disproof.

...perhaps you could share some of your wisdom with us... then all of us could give thanks.

Ray

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

12/27/2012 06:49:26 AM · #1093

Originally posted by Spork99:

Can you see grey? ... it's somewhere between black and white.

Since you seem to suggest you don't belong to either the "Pro or Anti Gun" groups, surely you have some great recommendations to make on the subject matter.

Ray

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

12/27/2012 08:01:09 AM · #1094

Originally posted by Spork99:

well it seems the gun advocates would rather do away with that than lose their trusty guns.

//www.politico.com/story/2012/12/anti-piers-petition-tops-60k-signers-85472.html?hp=r3

I guess its all that important to them.

Venser

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

12/27/2012 08:10:46 AM · #1095

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:
the second amendment was an amendment, why can't we just amend the constitution again?

Let's crack down on those pesky people running their mouths too and get rid of the 1st too. Hell, things would go a lot smoother if we just did away with the whole damn thing.

well it seems the gun advocates would rather do away with that than lose their trusty guns.

//www.politico.com/story/2012/12/anti-piers-petition-tops-60k-signers-85472.html?hp=r3

I guess its all that important to them.

You didn't hear them in outrage when the Patriot Act was taking away their 1st, 4th, and 5th rights either. I remember hearing a lot of "if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to fear." The irony as an outsider tickles me inside.

VitaminB

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

12/27/2012 10:54:02 AM · #1096

Not sure how I feel about this. Newspaper north of New York publishes the names and addresses of all licensed gun owners:
//www.lohud.com/article/20121224/NEWS04/312240045/?nclick_check=1

I think everyone has a right to privacy, and even though this information is public, I dont think it should be consolidated, and made so easy to access as this. But I suppose some would want to balance that with a neighbors right to know. I would want to know if my neighbor had a stockpile of weapons (not that this article/map can indicate the type of gun, or quantity).

Message edited by author 2012-12-27 10:54:14.

VitaminB

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

12/27/2012 10:58:49 AM · #1097

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:
the second amendment was an amendment, why can't we just amend the constitution again?

Let's crack down on those pesky people running their mouths too and get rid of the 1st too. Hell, things would go a lot smoother if we just did away with the whole damn thing.

well it seems the gun advocates would rather do away with that than lose their trusty guns.

//www.politico.com/story/2012/12/anti-piers-petition-tops-60k-signers-85472.html?hp=r3

I guess its all that important to them.
You didn't hear them in outrage when the Patriot Act was taking away their 1st, 4th, and 5th rights either. I remember hearing a lot of "if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to fear." The irony as an outsider tickles me inside.

A much more important petition, IMO:
Death Star Petition Reaches Threshold for Official Response

12/27/2012 11:15:03 AM · #1098

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by mike_311:
the second amendment was an amendment, why can't we just amend the constitution again?

Let's crack down on those pesky people running their mouths too and get rid of the 1st too. Hell, things would go a lot smoother if we just did away with the whole damn thing.

Can you see grey? ... it's somewhere between black and white.

Since you seem to suggest you don't belong to either the "Pro or Anti Gun" groups, surely you have some great recommendations to make on the subject matter.

Ray

I mentioned some practical changes earlier, but the two sides were too busy shouting to notice.

12/27/2012 12:33:27 PM · #1099

Originally posted by Spork99:

I mentioned some practical changes earlier, but the two sides were too busy shouting to notice.

really, where? all i remember is you talking about airplanes, tools and dildos.